BeaverDeity Posted September 9, 2011 Posted September 9, 2011 You can IAD with 96, just have to return to neutral. same as doing 2366d really Ok i feel like a big noob now but what does 2366D do? Is that like doing a small dash before certain moves?
Errol Posted September 9, 2011 Posted September 9, 2011 Yeah, That is exactly what it is. You do it when OTG'ing with 236D, so that you can followup easier or with a heavier hit (5c instead of 5b for example)
BeaverDeity Posted September 9, 2011 Posted September 9, 2011 Oh ok. That's a pretty useful tool then
LunarSelenia Posted September 9, 2011 Posted September 9, 2011 Can you give example combos? Or is this referring to the 22x > 236D > dash 5B combos except you're replacing 5B with 5C? O.o;;;
pktazn Posted September 9, 2011 Posted September 9, 2011 Yup pretty much. If you watch Konan's latest matches he uses 5C a lot more now instead of 5B after 236D.
LunarSelenia Posted September 9, 2011 Posted September 9, 2011 Ah I see, thought so, just got confused with the '2366D' input I thought it was something new. XDDD I tend to use microdashes instead of the 2366D input.
Errol Posted September 9, 2011 Posted September 9, 2011 that is the micro dash.. I'm not really sure what you're saying. Because if you do 66236, DP comes out.
Airk Posted September 9, 2011 Posted September 9, 2011 Yeah, That is exactly what it is. You do it when OTG'ing with 236D, so that you can followup easier or with a heavier hit (5c instead of 5b for example) So that is the secret to that! I wonder how I failed to put this together before.
LunarSelenia Posted September 9, 2011 Posted September 9, 2011 that is the micro dash.. I'm not really sure what you're saying. Because if you do 66236, DP comes out. You're saying with 2366D you press the D after you input the dash right? I input 236D then the dash. I just use 236D > 66 > 5B/5C always, thus why the 2366D seemed like something new to me XDD
Errol Posted September 9, 2011 Posted September 9, 2011 You're saying with 2366D you press the D after you input the dash right? I input 236D then the dash. I just use 236D > 66 > 5B/5C always, thus why the 2366D seemed like something new to me XDD Yeah, that's right. I just loaded up BB to test a few things. I couldn't get 236D> 66 to work.. I'm not really sure how it would work? You don't mean a dash after you hit with the 236D right? This is a dash before the 236D starts up. You always das after the 236 D hits, but the additional dash before helps for getting you close enough to consistently get the 5c. I also tested 99. On my pad this resulted in a lot of IADs, the input window showed a lot of non diagonals when I was doing it. Doing it on the analog, raw 99s, yeah that was just double jumps.
LunarSelenia Posted September 9, 2011 Posted September 9, 2011 Yeah, that's right. I just loaded up BB to test a few things. I couldn't get 236D> 66 to work.. I'm not really sure how it would work? You don't mean a dash after you hit with the 236D right? This is a dash before the 236D starts up. You always das after the 236 D hits, but the additional dash before helps for getting you close enough to consistently get the 5c. I also tested 99. On my pad this resulted in a lot of IADs, the input window showed a lot of non diagonals when I was doing it. Doing it on the analog, raw 99s, yeah that was just double jumps. Preference I guess? I can do both with no problems, but I know what you're talking about, it's a dash before 236D. I input the dash after 236D...this is after the OTG right? I tend to use 22C > 236D > 66 > 5B > 2CC > 236x etc. >>;;;;;;;;
Errol Posted September 9, 2011 Posted September 9, 2011 Preference I guess? I can do both with no problems, but I know what you're talking about, it's a dash before 236D. I input the dash after 236D...this is after the OTG right? I tend to use 22C > 236D > 66 > 5B > 2CC > 236x etc. >>;;;;;;;; No, you do both: 22C > 2366D > 66 > 5C > 2CC > 236x It helps with getting the 5C if you do the micro dash before the 236D. You always do the 66 after the OTG hit.
LunarSelenia Posted September 9, 2011 Posted September 9, 2011 Oh. Okay. That makes sense. I thought you didn't have to do it. O.o;;; Oh well, will probably try and change up my muscle memory for that XDDD Thanks. @__@;; Sorry for the confusion.
pktazn Posted September 19, 2011 Posted September 19, 2011 I've recently hit a small roadblock when doing IAD combos where the opponent still techs out before the 5B hits after I delay the j.CC for as long as I can. I can literally see her almost touching the ground for the j.CC but the dummy still techs out before the 5B hits. I have a feeling that it's because I'm really not delaying it as long as I think I am but I'm pretty certain since it's the same timing and everything when it does actually connect. I'm also thinking maybe I delay it too much or the opponent is a bit too high? Any help would be appreciated because it's the only thing keeping me from doing the combo consistently.
Errol Posted September 19, 2011 Posted September 19, 2011 I'd look at the height. Delaying jcc really late is how you get double IAD combos off a 214d or j214d starter, for example. I think 5b is more stable if you don't delay all the way though. Maybe because I'm remembering occasional tech-outs before the jcc because I hit them too low to delay it that long? the jcc delay for a 5b followup is pretty short though really. Maybe 1/3 to 1/2 through the cancel frames? For 2c followups you have to get it as late as possible. I haven't played in a month though, so ......
zaeris Posted September 19, 2011 Posted September 19, 2011 I've recently hit a small roadblock when doing IAD combos where the opponent still techs out before the 5B hits after I delay the j.CC for as long as I can. I can literally see her almost touching the ground for the j.CC but the dummy still techs out before the 5B hits. I have a feeling that it's because I'm really not delaying it as long as I think I am but I'm pretty certain since it's the same timing and everything when it does actually connect. I'm also thinking maybe I delay it too much or the opponent is a bit too high? Any help would be appreciated because it's the only thing keeping me from doing the combo consistently. Maybe you should include "which combo" are you doing or in general since IAD combo varies in difficulty depending on starting and which part are you attempt where it is better to just go straight into 236b>214B>22x
pktazn Posted September 19, 2011 Posted September 19, 2011 (edited) It's just in general. If it were anything more specific I would have said so. @Errol: Thanks, I'll keep experimenting and double-checking the height and whatnot to make sure I'm not trying to do it too high or low. I have a feeling they're a bit too low. Edited September 19, 2011 by pktazn
Airk Posted September 19, 2011 Posted September 19, 2011 (edited) Dunno if this is your problem or not, but since I've been grinding on the IAD combo a lot lately, what I've discovered is that getting the j.CC late enough is only half the battle - the other half is getting the 5B out fast enough. I find that since both the j.C and the j.CC are done fairly slowly (j.C just doesn't come out if you hit it right after the IAD, and j.CC needs to be delayed to get you closer to the end of your jump), that I have a tendancy to wait a moment before hitting 5B as well, and that makes the combo bluebeat. You pretty much need to hit the 5B right after the j.CC as if it were a gatling. Erm. That's just the trouble I had, but if it's not height or delaying the j.CC enough, that could be it. Edit: And I don't really find the height to be THAT sensitive. You can generally tell if the height is wrong pretty easily - if you go under them after the j.C, they're too high, if they land before j.CC hits, they're too low. Edited September 19, 2011 by Airk
pktazn Posted September 19, 2011 Posted September 19, 2011 I'll keep that in mind too Airk. I have a feeling that may be it since I landed it earlier but when I tried to do it again it didn't work and it was the same height. Again thanks for the help guys
Shruikon Posted September 19, 2011 Posted September 19, 2011 Re: IADs, I realize I've been attempting to mash out 5B after the j.CC in attempt to get it out as fast as possible but yeah, I keep whiffing it at the 5B. They tech out right before 5B's active frames. Could attempting to mash out the 5B be counter-productive or am I still just not managing to delay j.CC right =/
Andru Posted September 19, 2011 Posted September 19, 2011 Do you have to hit them lower with 2CC? o_o
OrionXElite Posted September 19, 2011 Posted September 19, 2011 Re: IADs, I realize I've been attempting to mash out 5B after the j.CC in attempt to get it out as fast as possible but yeah, I keep whiffing it at the 5B. They tech out right before 5B's active frames. Could attempting to mash out the 5B be counter-productive or am I still just not managing to delay j.CC right =/ Mashing on something is always a counter productive style to use. It makes the input you're trying to get(re:j.CC>Land 5B) very inconsistent due to the mashing. Its always best to hit the timing with legitimate 1 Button inputs. Its precise and its a lot easier to get into your muscle memory for later :3
Shruikon Posted September 19, 2011 Posted September 19, 2011 Mashing on something is always a counter productive style to use. It makes the input you're trying to get(re:j.CC>Land 5B) very inconsistent due to the mashing. Its always best to hit the timing with legitimate 1 Button inputs. Its precise and its a lot easier to get into your muscle memory for later :3 I know, it's a terrible habit lol but I just can't kick it, which is probably additionally worse considering I main Tsubaki and have follow-ups that gatling even on whiff >_> I at least just didn't think it was that bad in cases where you just really need to get the input in asap.
pktazn Posted September 19, 2011 Posted September 19, 2011 I wouldn't try to mash it out but rather just hit it as fast as you can. It will also help show how long it takes for the move to be registered after you hit the button to give a better sense of the timing for the move I think. Like sometimes (when I was practicing) if I tried to mash out IAD j.C, only the IAD would come out no matter how fast I mashed the j.C. Do you have to hit them lower with 2CC? o_o If you hit them too low then the IAD j.C won't connect at all. You'll more than likely sail above them, flying on the wings of justice.
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