Chrono Phantasma Story Discussion [fun tentatively allowed again]

[mAc Chaos]

So Terumi does not even exist as a ghost anymore?

[BlackYakuzu94]

Nooooope, Hakumen completely erased any trace of his existence.

[Shinhwa]

Which pretty means Hazama is powerless now.

[Calamitus]

Which pretty means Hazama is powerless now.

Hazama still has Ouroboros and BlazBlue at his disposal. That's far from "powerless".

[Shinhwa]

Hazama still has Ouroboros and BlazBlue at his disposal. That's far from "powerless".

Sorry. Meant to say he is pretty much weaker now.

Edited December 5, 2013 by Shinhwa

[A.T]

So what if he have Blazblue? Blazblue is useless without seithr(and without Noise Canceler) and I doubt he have either of those things.

Ouroboros could work, I guess.

Ah, and guess what - if his entire body is blazblue which cannot be operated without seithr, then he is as good as dead as there isn't much seithr not only to activate it, but even to exist(remember what happens with Hazama when he was in close proximity with Celica?)

[Zedar90]

So what if he have Blazblue? Blazblue is useless without seithr(and without Noise Canceler) and I doubt he have either of those things.

Ouroboros could work, I guess.

Ah, and guess what - if his entire body is blazblue which cannot be operated without seithr, then he is as good as dead as there isn't much seithr not only to activate it, but even to exist(remember what happens with Hazama when he was in close proximity with Celica?)

Actually, when thinking more about it, the Blazblue doesn't need seithr to work, it was that Celica deactivated Blazblue since Blazblue is a big chunk of seithr.

The true form of seithr is after all "Particle Type Program"(粒子型プログラム, Ryushi Gata Puroguramu)

[Shinhwa]

Thought Ragna couldn't use Ars Magus until Kokonoe told him that he can thanks to Noise Canceller, but Hazama doesn't have that.

[Zedar90]

Thought Ragna couldn't use Ars Magus until Kokonoe told him that he can thanks to Noise Canceller, but Hazama doesn't have that.

What stopped Ragna from using the Grimoire was Celica and Lynchpin. Ragna was able to use the Grimoire thanks to noise canceler but how would he be able to use the grimoire with no seithr? In other words seithr can't be a requirement. After the Climax the Lynch pin is probably in the boundary stopping seithr to come from the boundary so Hazama should be able to move as long as he is not near Celica.

[Shinhwa]

What stopped Ragna from using the Grimoire was Celica and Lynchpin. Ragna was able to use the Grimoire thanks to noise canceler but how would he be able to use the grimoire with no seithr? In other words seithr can't be a requirement. After the Climax the Lynch pin is probably in the boundary stopping seithr to come from the boundary so Hazama should be able to move as long as he is not near Celica.

Wait I get that Hazama can move around even without Seithr, but why did they say if the Lynchpin is activated, Hazama/Terumi would be more easily defeated?

[Zedar90]

Wait I get that Hazama can move around even without Seithr, but why did they say if the Lynchpin is activated, Hazama/Terumi would be more easily defeated?

Where was this stated. I don't remember it.

[Shinhwa]

Where was this stated. I don't remember it.

Episode 1 where Rachel told Ragna that if the Lynchpin is used, a chance to kill Terumi may come, and when Kokonoe also talked about it in Episode 15, but she included pretty much the entire Izanami team, saying "when they lynchpin is used, it will be the chance to defeat them"

Edited December 5, 2013 by Shinhwa

[Chaoschao222]

IIRC

I think?

I suppose?

somehow.

May be

I really doubt

I guess

Phrases like "I think," "I guess," "maybe," "perhaps," "what if," "my theory," or any other non-concrete sentences/questions will either be moved or deleted depending on what they are.

If you don't know, don't post it here.

Zedar and Shinhwa, keep doin' what you're doin'

[Shinhwa]

We just trying to organize the concept that happened in the story mode as it left a lot of mysterious lol. Even though I thoroughly watched the Story Mode several times, there are just too many things I don't understand as they were never explained neither in CT or CS or this game XD;;

[Zedar90]

Episode 1 where Rachel told Ragna that if the Lynchpin is used, a chance to kill Terumi may come, and when Kokonoe also talked about it.

Oh, misread what you said. Yeah, if the lynchpin is activated Hazama is useless, but there is no way that the Lynchpin will work over the entire world and that's why they put it in the boundary to prevent more seithr to leak into the world. Wasn't the cauldron in Ibukido the main one, i.e. all other cauldrons was connected to it?

If there is some effect from the lynch pin in the real world it would at best be around the area of Ibukido.

Also, wasn't it that Ragna would have a chance to "kill" Yuuki Terumi after that they made "Saya" be "annihilated" by the lynchpin?

[Shinhwa]

Kagura's treatment towards Noel also caught my interest. He acted as if he knew her real identity (I don't mean as Murakumo Unit. He already knows that as seen in his arcade mode). I don't know if he really sees her as a romantic interest (well a lot of fans seems to have started shipping Kagura x Noel *Points to PIXIV*.), but it was as if she is someone very important to her (looking at his reaction when Arakune tried to rape absorb her), and when Ragna and Jin were together, he always tried to have Noel together with them, and he even said "Ganbare yo, Kyoudai! (Good luck siblings!)" at Noel despite Ragna and Jin already having left the area. There is also the fact Noel called Ragna "Nii-sama" in Episode 12 and 16. Noel also saw a flashback of Celica's older form as the Sister in Episode 17, and Noel did say that talking with Ragna feels like she is talking to a family member, and in truth Ragna was reminded of Saya after talking with Noel in Episode 15.

Actually I have a question about Phase Shift and Six Heroes Route Ep 3~6. Just what did Ragna "learn" from going there other than the truth about the Kushinada's Lynchpin? I thought he went there to learn about the truth about the Azure Grimoire.

Edited December 5, 2013 by Shinhwa

[Toxin45]

Kagura's treatment towards Noel also caught my interest. He acted as if he knew her real identity (I don't mean as Murakumo Unit. He already knows that as seen in his arcade mode). I don't know if he really sees her as a romantic interest (well a lot of fans seems to have started shipping Kagura x Noel *Points to PIXIV*.), but it was as if she is someone very important to her (looking at his reaction when Arakune tried to rape absorb her), and when Ragna and Jin were together, he always tried to have Noel together with them, and he even said "Ganbare yo, Kyoudai! (Good luck siblings!)" at Noel despite Ragna and Jin already having left the area. There is also the fact Noel called Ragna "Nii-sama" in Episode 12 and 16. Noel also saw a flashback of Celica's older form as the Sister in Episode 17, and Noel did say that talking with Ragna feels like she is talking to a family member, and in truth Ragna was reminded of Saya after talking with Noel in Episode 15.

Actually I have a question about Phase Shift and Six Heroes Route Ep 3~6. Just what did Ragna "learn" from going there other than the truth about the Kushinada's Lynchpin? I thought he went there to learn about the truth about the Azure Grimoire.

That seems unusual but let's go to the theory page to ask about Noel being Saya.

[Zedar90]

Actually I have a question about Phase Shift and Six Heroes Route Ep 3~6. Just what did Ragna "learn" from going there other than the truth about the Kushinada's Lynchpin? I thought he went there to learn about the truth about the Azure Grimoire.

I have no Idea. He appears only briefly in Phase-shift 3 and 4 and the only thing he did there was protecting Celica and killing Nu. But he was inside of the Black Beast for 3 years (although it felt like much shorter time for Ragna).

[Shinhwa]

I have no Idea. He appears only briefly in Phase-shift 3 and 4 and the only thing he did there was protecting Celica and killing Nu. But he was inside of the Black Beast for 3 years (although it felt like much shorter time for Ragna).

=___= ok....? Rachel was like if you want to learn the truth you will have to go to the past (Zero) but he didn't learn crap except that Celica is the sacrifice for the Lynchpin...?

[Zedar90]

=___= ok....? Rachel was like if you want to learn the truth you will have to go to the past (Zero) but he didn't learn crap except that Celica is the sacrifice for the Lynchpin...?

He might have learned something, and he did thank Rachel for sending him. But what he learned? I dunno, all he did was protecting Celica until Nirvana cut into Black Beast and picked up Celica. And Killed Nu so that the Black Beast could die and got sent back to present by Rachel.

[Shinhwa]

He might have learned something, and he did thank Rachel for sending him. But what he learned? I dunno, all he did was protecting Celica until Nirvana cut into Black Beast and picked up Celica. And Killed Nu so that the Black Beast could die and got sent back to present by Rachel.

= =;; Plot hole or I have no idea what Mori is thinking... In Episode 14 he was like all "I don't know what the Azure Grimoire truly is and I wonder where the real one is and blah blah blah" then he goes back to the past but he doesn't learn crap... wut...

Ah well, looks like the answer will have to wait until Mori covers it in the future game.

[Zedar90]

Something between translation and Summary.

Scarlet Rose

In a never ending night there was a full moon.

Bellow that full moon there was a never ending rose garden with a castle inside it, the Alucard Castle. In one of the rooms of the castle there slept a girl with blond hair and white skin.

She was in deep sleep and have been sleeping for several tens of years. She did it to retrieve her powers that she has lost, to gain knowledge and more importantly to be prepared for what is coming.

Some might believe that she would never wake up again, however that is only until today.

The girl opened her eyelids and with her lips she called.

“... Valkenhayn.”

Valkenhayn had never leaved Rachel sides and have been protecting her during these severel tens of years while she had been in sleep. And more then anyone else have been waiting for this day.

Valkenhayn: How are you feeling, Rachel-sama?

Rachel: Not bad. I'm not clear in the head yet though.

Valkenhayn: I will come with some tea later.

Rachel: Yes, do that.

You have grown a little older. Valkenhayn.

Valkenhayn: It is a little embarrassing. It's due to that more then a half century have passed while you have been resting, Rachel-sama.

It wasn't only Valkenhayn that had changed. When Rachel went to sleep was directly after the end if the Dark war. And after that the world has lost much, gained much, killed many, given birth to many. The world has lost order. But it was given a new order instead.

Rachel: ... is that so. I have made you feel some harsh experience, Valkenhayn

Valkenhayn shook his head.

Valkenhayn: My duty is to protect Rachel-sama

... I have one other thing to tell you

We have discovered Relius Clover. Currently, Jubei-dono is running around and searching for him... It looks like he tries to get in touch with the boundary again.

Relius Clover, the mad puppeteer. He had a hand with the appearance of the Black Beast and further back in time he had some acquaintance with Rachel's father. To hear is name even in this age was something both Rachel or Valkenhayn could have been anticipating. Or maybe more like something one didn't want to anticipate.

Valkenhayn: A little earlier, while searching for Relius workshop Jubei-dono was able to secure three children. The children is currently begin in care in her church...

After hearing that Rachel was in an green forest. While Rachel normally could teleport wherever she wanted her destination was covered with an barrier making it impossible to teleport there directly. Therefore she came to the forest and has to walk the rest of the way.

It wasn't hard for Rachel to walk since she had control over the wind.

(...Oh)

While lightly walking in the forest she felt people's presence and heard their voices. There was some distance left to the church. And there is no one living in the forest. So it is easy to guess who it is.

It was three children.

In the front there was a boy with determination carrying a small girl and behind him there was a tired boy walking. All three had blond hair and green eyes. Together with the children there was an old woman wearing nun clothes. It was the Sister who protected the church where Rachel was heading to.

The four of them was searching for something in the forest.

The three children that Jubei had secured. How they are, and what kind of existence they are does Rachel already know.

Ragna: What's the matter, Saya?

Said the boy carrying the girl. The girl was watching towards Rachel but there is no way for her to see Rachel. She only looks there because she is feeling some kind of precense.

Soon the boy says that it probably was a rabbit or something and they continue to walk further into the forest.

Rachel watched the boy with her crimson eyes and said:

Rachel: What kind of conclusion will you show this time. Ragna.

Rachel closed her eyes and together with the scent of rose she disappeared. It was enough. All she wanted to confirm was that if all the actors where there.

So what left is to wait for the prologue to end and the curtains to be raised.

The story will surely once again begin with the sound of the blazing flames.

[Shinhwa]

Well I pretty much figured Rachel knows who and what they are, but Saya is still a mystery in what role as an actor she has, unless you like substitute her with Noel.

[Elochai]

Is there a story write-up/summary anywhere?

[Shinhwa]

Is there a story write-up/summary anywhere?

An organized one, nope except this extreme long one I wrote for the wiki that pretty much does summarize the entire Chronophantasma except this is only in Ragna's point of view as it's a summary I wrote for Ragna's character page on Blazblue Wiki. It pretty much tells the entire story excluding parts where Ragna is not really involved at all. Noel's character page also has it but it is a lot more shorter. The summary I wrote for Ragna's chronophantasma part is also in this thread a few pages back.