Anne Posted April 16, 2015 Author Posted April 16, 2015 Didn't Goro play Koko for a while?In 1.1 he played her for a bit, then just disappeared. Doesn't change the fact he was winning tournaments with her in CSEX and CP 1.0. He kept going until there was no more hope.
9:02 PM Posted April 16, 2015 Posted April 16, 2015 What's the usual release process for mooks? Wondering if/when we can expect official frame data changes, and frame data for the new chars.
Errol Posted April 16, 2015 Posted April 16, 2015 I don't think there's going to be one for this version....?
C0R Posted April 16, 2015 Posted April 16, 2015 What's the usual release process for mooks? Wondering if/when we can expect official frame data changes, and frame data for the new chars. Frame data is normally distributed independently of the mooks, the mooks are just publications of already public information. If you're looking for a specific character chances are that information is already out on the internet in some JP wiki. Consult the character forums.
Errol Posted April 16, 2015 Posted April 16, 2015 ■ドラさんインタビュー――現在の使用キャラとゲーム内段位を教えて下さいドラさん（以下、ドラ） 使用キャラはバングで17段です（取材：2015年3月）。闘会議後はあまり『BBCP』をやっていなかったのですが、最近は新宿スポーツランド本館（以下、新宿スポラン）でプレイして、“テツヲ”とか“うどん”相手に17段を維持できたので価値のある17段だと思っています。 Please tell us your main character and ranking. Dora: I use Bang and I'm 17dan. After Tokaigi I hadn't been playing BBCP very much, but recently I've been playing at Shinjuku Sportsland and have maintained 17 dan against Tetsuwo and Udon, so I think it's a meaningful 17dan.――ホームゲーセンや主戦場はどちらですか？ドラ いまはゲーセンだと新宿スポランしか行ってないですね。他のゲームも入れるなら、ブラックアイ（※）という場所で家庭用の『ULTIMATE MARVEL VS. CAPCOM 3』をやってます。 ※東京都目黒付近にあるゲーム部屋。おもに『ULTIMATE MARVEL VS. CAPCOM 3』が遊ばれている。 Where is your home arcade/battleground? Dora: For arcades, I'm not going anywhere except for Shinjuku Sportsland right now. Including other games, I also play console UMVC3 at Black eye. ――ゲームセンターへ通う頻度はどれぐらいでしょうか？ドラ 『BBCP』をやっている頻度だと、週2、3ぐらいです。家庭用が出たら“週7、8ぐらいになると思います（笑）。大型大会の前だとゲーセンで優先してプレイするので、勤務後にプレイして、帰ってからまたプレイするという形で頻度も増えますね。 How often do you go to the arcade? Dora: For BBCP, about 2 to 3 times a week. When the console version is out, it'll probably be 7 or 8 times (laughs). Before big tournaments, I prioritize playing at the arcade, so I'll play after work, and then after getting home end up playing again.――稼動からある程度時間が経過した本作ですが、対戦内容の感触はどうでしょうか？ドラ 以前のバージョンと違って、現在のバージョンでは防御手段が弱くなっていると思います。切り返しから大ダメージの奪えるコンボやいい状況を期待できるキャ ラが少なくなったので、防御がしっかりしているプレイヤーじゃないと勝ちにくいですね。競技性が高まっていて、いままで強いキャラを使って勝っていたプレ イヤーが“ホンモノ”なのかどうかがわかるおもしろいバージョンだと思います。自称“職人”に光が当たるゲーム性なので見応えもありますね。 It has been some time since this version came out in the arcade. How does the game feel to you? Dora: A difference from the previous version is that defensive tools have been made weaker. Fewer characters can expect high damage from a reversal, or to maintain a good situation afterward. As a result, if you don't have strong defense, it's hard to win. The competitiveness of the game has risen, and of the players that used strong characters and won, we know now which one of them were 'real' so it's an interesting version. It's a game made for hard workers so it's worth a look. ――得意キャラや苦手キャラはいますか？ドラ 苦手なのはタオカカ、ココノエ、カグラですね。全員低姿勢の技が強くて、立ち回りでしゃがんでいることが多いんですよ。バングがジャンプ攻撃を当てたとし ても“しゃがみ食らい”になるのでリターンが少ないんですよ。とくにココノエは、レバー右下＋Cのリーチが長く、ヒット時のリターンも大きいんです。あれ をぶんぶん振られるとそれだけで辛いですね。あとはアラクネもきびしい感じです。バングの“立ちD”が中段攻撃をガードポイントで防げなくなったので、 ジャンプ攻撃を見てから対空するのが難しいんですよ。“しゃがみD”で迎撃しても“fマルg”を出されるとどこに“空蝉”でワープしても確定してしまった り、ジャンプ攻撃から着地でオーバードライブを出されても負けてしまいます。正直、この組み合わせはかなりどうしようもないと思っていますね……。 Do you have any characters you are strong or weak against? Dora: I don't like Taokaka, Kokonoe, and Kagura. All of them have strong low-profile moves, and are often crouching in neutral. Even if Bang lands a jump attack on them, since they're crouching the return is low. In particular, vs kokonoe, 3C's reach is long and on hit the return is large. Just using that a lot makes it difficult. Arakune is also difficult for me. Bang's 5D no longer guards against overheads, so it's difficult to anti-air on reaction. Even if I use 2D, if f of g is used, it doesn't matter where I teleport, I'm guaranteed to get hit. If the land from jump attack and use overdrive I'll lose too. Honestly, I think this matchup is rather helpless.. ――トレーニングモードなど、個人練習は何をしていますか？ドラ アーケードのトレーニングモードは相手の受け身の取り方が一定なので、“起き攻め”の練習はしていないですね。コンボ練習やセットプレイの研究など、個人 練習といった感じです。あとはレバーの持ちかたの確認ですね。冬になると手が荒れて絆創膏とかを付けるんですが、それが原因でレバー操作に影響が出るとレ バーの持ち方のフォームも悪くなってしまうんですよ。そうすると、中段が立てなくなったりするんです。じつはこれが闘会議でも出てしまって失敗してるんで すよ。まだ手荒れが治りきってはいないんですが、いまは個人練習だとこのレバーの持ち方部分をもっとも重視しています。 What kind of things do you do to practice? ( training mode etc) Dora: Arcade training mode doesn't allow you to change how the dummy techs, so I don't practice okizeme. Combo practice, Setplay research, and personal practice are what I do. Also, checking that I am holding the stick properly. In the winter, My hands get rough and I end up using band-aids, and that can influence how I handle the stick or my form. As a result, I can end up not being able to stand up for overheads. Actually, this came up at tokaigi too. My hands still aren't fully recovered right now, so this is what I prioritize the most for personal practice.――本作で注目しているプレイヤーはいますか？ドラ いままでの強キャラは「これをやっておけば勝てる」という行動を多く持っていたんですけど、今回強いと言われているニューやジン、ヴァルケンハインでもそ ういった武器は少ないです。防御をちゃんとやらないと安定して勝てないので、強キャラ使い全般がプレイヤーの腕で安定させられるかってところに注目してい ますね。期待しているのは“どぐら”さんです。彼はブレイブルー歴が浅くても頂点を取れる男だったので、今回の難しいバージョンで結果を出せるのかという 部分が楽しみです。いまはいろんなゲームを並行してやり込んでいるようなので難しいかとは思いますが、だからこそ逆に期待してしまいます。 Are there any players you are noticing in this version? Dora: Up to now strong characters have had lots of tools/techniques where 'if you just do this, you'll win', but this time even characters considered strong this time, like Nu, Jin, Valk don't have many tools like that. If you can't defense properly, you won't consistently win, so I'm looking at whether all strong players can stabilize and win with their own skill. I am looking forward to Dogura. Even though his experience with BB is short, he was able to stand at the top, so I'm excited to see if he can produce results in this difficult version. He's playing numerous games right now, so it might be difficult, but that's exactly why I'm looking forward to it. ――ズバリ、『BBCP』がうまくなるコツは何でしょう？ドラ これは格闘ゲームすべてに通じるコツになるんですが、いかに相手とコミュニケーションをとるか、だと思います。敗因を調べるにしても調べかたがわからない とどうしようもないし、ひとりよがりなプレイをしていると限られた部分しかうまくなれません。最初は下手でも、いろいろな人と意見を交換できるといいと思 います。ひとつの脳みそよりも多数の脳みそを使ったほうが効率もいいし、ゲームも楽しくできます。コミュ力重要です！ What's the trick to becoming good at BBCP? Dora: This is the trick to all fighting games, but I believe it is how to communicate with other players. If you want to figure out why you lost, but you don't know how, or simply playing your own way without any input, there's only certain parts of the game you can become good at. Even if you are weak at the beginning, exchanging opinions with various people is good. 2 brains are better than one. Communication is important! ――4月には家庭用の発売が予定されていますが、オンライン対戦へは参戦しますか？ドラ もちろん参戦しますよ！ ゲーセンでは対戦できないキャラもたくさんいるので、オンライン対戦はありがたいです。ガチでというつもりはないのですが、オフ ライン対戦のための練習としては最高のツールなので利用していきたいですね。ぜひ、ふだん対戦できない人たちと対戦したいと思います。 In april, the console version will be released. Will you play online? Dora: Of course I will! There's many characters I can't play against at the arcade, so I'm glad to have online play. I'm not saying it's serious, but it's an amazing practice tool for offline matches. Certainly, I want to play again people I normally can't play against. ――今後、もし全国規模の大型大会があれば参戦しますか？ドラ もちろん参戦します。できれば、日本でシングル戦のダブルイリミネーショントーナメントをやってほしいですね。ダブルイリミネーションなら運が悪くて負け ることも少ないし、本当に強いプレイヤーがわかると思います。チーム戦だとしたら、2on2だとシングルを2回やってるようなものなので3on3が良いで すね。 Here on out, if there is a large scale national tournament, will you participate? Dora: Of course I will. If possible, I would like them to do a singles double-elimination tournament here in Japan. With double elimination, losing because of bad luck is infrequent, and it shows which players are really strong. WIth team formats, 2on2 is like doing a singles match twice, so I would prefer 3on3. ――読者に自由に一言コメントお願いします！ドラ 新宿スポランはネシカクロスライブが8セット稼動中です。ぜひ遊びに来てください！ A comment for the readers, please! Dora: Shinjuku Sportslands has 8 nesica cabs running. Come play!■ドラさんが考えるキャラクターランクはこれだ！ S ハザマ ヴァルケンハイン ジン ニュー A カグラ ココノエ アズラエル レリウス マコト ライチ テイガー タオカカ ツバキ ラグナ カルル イザヨイ ハクメン バング B ノエル レイチェル アラクネ プラチナ アマネ バレット ミュー セリカ ラムダ C+ テルミ Sの4キャラが“4強”という評価。しかし、全体的なバランスとれているとのこと。SランクとBランクに差を感じるが、SランクとAランクはさほど変わらず、大部分は個別の組み合わせによるキャラ相性のほうが重要という考えのようだ。 Dora: S are the 4 strong characters this time. However, Overall, it is balanced. Between S and B, you can feel a difference, but there's not much of a difference between S and A. For most of them, the matchups between the characters depend more on the overall compatibility of the two characters.
Myoro Posted April 16, 2015 Posted April 16, 2015 "Dora: A difference from the previous version is that defensive tools have been made weaker. Fewer characters can expect high damage from a reversal, or to maintain a good situation afterward. As a result, if you don't have strong defense, it's hard to win. The competitiveness of the game has risen, and of the players that used strong characters and won, we know now which one of them were 'real' so it's an interesting version. It's a game made for hard workers so it's worth a look." This part in particular interests me. I've pondered my own authenticity, and have often wondered if my success thus far has been the result of the character I've played. Seeing that, between all the games I do play, I'm only capable of playing one character at an acceptable level, it's always been something that nagged at me a bit. I hope the game truthfully is how Dora sees it in that regard, and that I can put worries like that to rest. Anyway any change that makes a game "more competitive" in that aforementioned sense is a step in the right direction I think, and these interviews have certainly gotten me hyped. Also glad to hear the lower tiers can still compete. Even if there is a marked difference between S and D tier, it looks as if nobody's "unplayable" so to speak. Shoutouts to Mabukabu, he has been working hard. I've watched him ever since RYO went Ragna (so roughly when 2.0 started) and even after RYO came back to Rel. He has been workin' hard from the looks of it and is 20X better than when I first started watching.
chzchan Posted April 16, 2015 Posted April 16, 2015 "Dora: A difference from the previous version is that defensive tools have been made weaker. Fewer characters can expect high damage from a reversal, or to maintain a good situation afterward. As a result, if you don't have strong defense, it's hard to win." That's actually kind of interesting. Example is Tsubaki doesn't get 2.5k, corner carry and sliding knockdown after a DP if she spends charges in 2.0 but instead just gets very little damage and a knockdown right in front of her regardless of resources spent. I wonder how much this applies to other characters.
chzchan Posted April 16, 2015 Posted April 16, 2015 Pretty sure they are all S except Bullet's and Kagura's which are VS in 1.1.
tokin fuyou Posted April 16, 2015 Posted April 16, 2015 What's the trick to becoming good at BBCP? Dora: This is the trick to all fighting games, but I believe it is how to communicate with other players. If you want to figure out why you lost, but you don't know how, or simply playing your own way without any input, there's only certain parts of the game you can become good at. Even if you are weak at the beginning, exchanging opinions with various people is good. 2 brains are better than one. Communication is important! I like what Dora said here. I see it as one of the main differences between East and West when it comes to fighting games. That's another discussion though, so I'll leave it at that for now. This part in particular interests me. I've pondered my own authenticity, and have often wondered if my success thus far has been the result of the character I've played. Seeing that, between all the games I do play, I'm only capable of playing one character at an acceptable level, it's always been something that nagged at me a bit. A wise observation there, Myoro. I think that's something every serious player should ask him/her-self at some point. I'd weigh in on this more, but that, too, is another discussion. In any case, I'm relieved that the once bottom tier characters, Bullet and Makoto, have received a tier boost by two notable Japanese players. I tend to gravitate toward mid to low tier characters anyway. The interview has me hyped for Extend's release in NA. Now I don't know which character(s) I want to play with. I was quite surprised by Dora's comment on how he sees Arakune as a big threat to Bang.
TD Posted April 16, 2015 Posted April 16, 2015 Anyone know the price of cp extend? I'm assuming we have to import it. Somewhere around $80-$100 USD? Also where can it be purchased. Thanks
someonewhodied Posted April 16, 2015 Posted April 16, 2015 Anyone know the price of cp extend? I'm assuming we have to import it. Somewhere around $80-$100 USD? Also where can it be purchased. Thanks Digital: 5800 yen (54ish dollars?) Physical: ~6200 yen + shipping Limited Edition: 2 fingers, 3 toes, your liver, and your soul.
chzchan Posted April 16, 2015 Posted April 16, 2015 Somewhere around $80-$100 USD? Also where can it be purchased. That's overshooting a bit. Yen is weak right now compared to USD and the exchange rate hasn't been this great since before the big 2008 crash. Getting the PS3 or PS4 non-Azrael mousepad versions of the preorder on amiami which are still available are 5240 yen plus 940 for air small packet shipping or 1200 for superior EMS. 1 dong gets you ~119 yen which is awesome so that brings the price to around 52-54 dollars or probably near 54-56 or 55-57 because of foreign transaction fees that differ depending on your bank. This is the untaxed price, though. You can also just buy some PSN cards off japancodesupply and set the game to predownload for 5800 yen (which is a guaranteed 6000 yen spent due to the nature of the cards leaving you with a near useless 200 yen in your Japanese account) right now so you don't need to wait for it to get shipped. The usual premiums you would see on the cards now bring them up to the 1 USD = 100 JPY exchange rate that you are probably used to seeing, which pretty much kills what you think you'd save on shipping by a bit because I think you aren't taxed on PSN card purchases. You still save, but you gotta go through all the shenanigans.
TD Posted April 16, 2015 Posted April 16, 2015 Money isn't the issue, just needed an approximation to expect; I just want the game as fast as possible. But I do appreciate the detailed response. So now I know how to go about it. Thank you.
chzchan Posted April 16, 2015 Posted April 16, 2015 Oh yeah before you purchase the two 3000 JPY cards, there's a discount code SHINSYN that saves you 2% on that website since you are doing the download option, though I think this may have been mentioned before. That brings down the price to a bit more than 57 dong, but I guess this shouldn't matter since you don't mind the price.
SixWingedAngel Posted April 16, 2015 Posted April 16, 2015 The competitiveness of the game has risen, and of the players that used strong characters and won, we know now which one of them were 'real' so it's an interesting version. It's a game made for hard workers so it's worth a look. I can't help but love this statement. bbcp haters_gonna_hate ver.
Angry Guy of DE Posted April 16, 2015 Posted April 16, 2015 I've never had an anxiety of hearing more reports of Kagura being placed higher in tier lists. People that will hate on him will now hate him because he's seen as good now. Either way I'll still lose to Hakumens and Azraels.
Monarch Posted April 16, 2015 Posted April 16, 2015 Is there a way to manually download the pre-order, or do I just have to settle for automatic download?
Zedar90 Posted April 16, 2015 Posted April 16, 2015 Is there a way to manually download the pre-order, or do I just have to settle for automatic download? For PS3 go to the download list and download it from there on April the 21st. For PS4 go to Library and download it from there on the April the 21st. That's at least what this site says (preload begins 2 days before release, although it doesn't seem that BBCPE is unlocked at 0am JST but 7am JST).
Errol Posted April 16, 2015 Posted April 16, 2015 FYI the netplay is cross-console, but invitations are not. Seems rather annoying.
StylisH Posted April 16, 2015 Posted April 16, 2015 I've never had an anxiety of hearing more reports of Kagura being placed higher in tier lists. People that will hate on him will now hate him because he's seen as good now. Either way I'll still lose to Hakumens and Azraels. I've wondered about that, because unless he gained something to make up for his horrible lack of mobility and slow normals, then the struggle will be real again. Maybe I'm missing something....
Calamitus Posted April 16, 2015 Posted April 16, 2015 If I remember correctly, there is a tier list where Kagura is listed as "god tier" because nobody plays him. edit: this one https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B9LBOFWCAAEovPF.jpg:large
chzchan Posted April 16, 2015 Posted April 16, 2015 I've wondered about that, because unless he gained something to make up for his horrible lack of mobility and slow normals, then the struggle will be real again. Maybe I'm missing something.... I thought he got faster run speed without needing to accelerate, projectile guard point on Wyvern, possibly faster normals with reduced recovery on a few of them, and the ability to cancel out of his drive into OD/CT which saves him a significant amount of meter when dealing damage and allows him to spend it more efficiently. Probably should get a second opinion from actual mains, but I have been reading and hearing that they feel he is pretty much the same character.
FKGunBlaze Posted April 16, 2015 Posted April 16, 2015 I thought he got faster run speed without needing to accelerate, projectile guard point on Wyvern, possibly faster normals with reduced recovery on a few of them, and the ability to cancel out of his drive into OD/CT which saves him a significant amount of meter when dealing damage and allows him to spend it more efficiently. Probably should get a second opinion from actual mains, but I have been reading and hearing that they feel he is pretty much the same character. These are correct.
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