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holy shit that reset is ultra lame lol. They have to block the 5C holding forward and then immediately block 2C holding back. Really difficult to set up but it's basically guaranteed.

This hasn't been pointed out yet so I'll do it now in case anyone still wants advice. To reiterate my point that Liz should never ever ever jump in on Yosuke: sweep low profiles and flat out beats her jB at basically every angle. Sweep also low profiles her 5B even when it's used during block strings, so use it with extreme caution. It's best to play this match-up as a footsie character and keep Yosuke out with jB, 5A or lasers until Liz can start her offense. Yosuke is VERY good at baiting 2B with karaglide and moonsault so I prefer to air-to-air him with jA/jB/air throw. Yosuke's 5B is plus on block and his 5A is 5 frames of start-up so don't ever try to disrespect his block strings with mashing.

Liz's OMB combos are very useful when she doesn't have meter to hit confirm into 236CD on standing opponents. However, using OMB when it won't kill is generally bad since Liz has a hard time mixing people up to deal that last bit of damage. OMB combos are very easy on Akihiko/Labryses/Naoto/Liz/Yosuke. Just sweep as they're coming down into easymode 236D loops. Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't OMB disable Liz's passive meter gain? EDIT: Also, I wanna spend some time updating this thread with 2B > jB > 236D loops because they're universal and much much more stable than regular Magarudyne loops. Can anyone point me to a combo video or something that demonstrates what they look like so I can add it to the first post? Maybe I should restructure the combo list to point out easy Garu loops vs. harder character specific ones? I barely even try them anymore because it's so unstable. Ain't nobody got time for that.

Sign me up for BB and GG!

Liz can very easily land raw 2AB in the mirror match. It low profiles both jA and jB.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9F2IHHz55jA&t=1m16s

I finally brushed the dust off of my Labrys today to keep my setups and hit confirms fresh. Her okizeme is ridiculously fun. I much prefer her in certain match-ups over others, though that's not saying much with Liz.

What do people think of the Akihiko match-up? I played against Audio33(?) on netplay the other day and he megabodied me. Akihiko's mix-up and 5B fatal off a throw bait seem really strong against characters with bad reversals. I have to really resist the urge to just panic spam 2B. I love that she can just F-Action through his whole Maziodyne super.

I see your point. I'm probably just being emo again. who knows, maybe I'll like Makoto in CP. The new jB > jB combos are pretty cool. overdrive combos look fun. orb oki isn't trash. 2D LV2 finally has a purpose and it's a good one. Perhaps I'll play her and Amane evenly so I can Amane counterpick the match-ups I can't stand (Ragna, Noel, Hazama).

anyone with a 5 frame jab can just jab thanatos and the flames never come out (yosuke, chie, akihiko). When I go for this setup, I always hold down back for a half second. That way, if they rage DP I will block and punish it, and if they roll (yes roll is a universal escape), I can reaction counterthrow back into the corner.

Makoto and Ragna are basically the same character, except Makoto is more unsafe and her footsies are more limited. I think she's the easiest in the game really just because she's worse than Ragna so her gameplay is more simplified. Nitpicking, I know. and yeah, none of my character choices in BB are motivated by winning because literally everyone is completely viable in EX/CP. I treat other games differently, though. Like Injustice.

Makoto has been boring the fuck out of me for the past 6 months so I want to play someone else. Amane looks very interesting and I've been really enjoying zoning/keepaway playstyles in games recently, I think I can do well with him. I'll still play Makoto because she's the easiest character in the game, but I'm really not feeling her anymore. Winning tournaments is a secondary motivation, tbh. My mindset has always been that I can do well with anybody if I apply myself, so might as well use someone that I have fun with.

Makoto can't parry unblockables, the same as Hakumen can't counter unblockables. AFAIK. Looks like I'll be sticking with Makoto for NEC since I can't import for xbox and don't have time to learn the character I want to (Amane).

He did tell me that playing with Bace taught him a lot about the match-up, which would explain why I died so hard. With time I can catch back up and go even with him again, but it's just so disappointing how bad most of her setups are. Like, I love those 2 setups, yet they're both 100% avoidable by every character - dash out of the first one, hold up back out of the second or mash when possible. Maybe I just play too respectfully and need to fear throw people more often

Casuals with ZomB last friday made me super, super sad. Chie can just run out of B mabufu > D maragidyne reset and get right on top of Liz. She can also mash 5A out of 2C > C Maragidyne corner oki. For every cool setup Liz has, there's a 100% avoidance answer to it. Playing her is like trying to succeed with CT Tager =/ On the plus side, I'm getting better at recognizing and executing fatal counter hit confirms.

please don't make any more of my tears about Makoto being the only honest character in this game start flowing again. my heart can't take it.

if you're going to MWC then we should car pool because I want to as well

i just realized that the optimal midscreen throw combo isn't in here yet, and there's no midscreen combo for 214214D. I'll do some updating to the OP when I get home. Let me know of any other important hit confirms that have yet to be updated!

Bace is really good but he didn't play well in top 8 imo. he kept going for 5c 2c omc 5c 5d for his offense and it was ridiculously obvious every time.

nerfing the top tier assholes of this game would be enough of a buff to Elizabeth for me, personally. Yu/Mitsuru are the only characters I loathe playing.

I looked at Okusan's bracket when it was first posted and facepalmed. First round yu, second round yu or mitsuru. He was fucked.

knocked out first round by yu.

holy shit I hope Denpa wins this tournament. His naoto is god damn disgusting.

that almost made me scream too, until I realized it was Denpa and he was shitting on his opponent. I'm okay with that.

Goro just got eliminated. Fuck. EVERYTHING! EDIT: Hivemind?