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Hey, I gotta take advantage of the fact that I play two different characters lololol.

Tao is not too horrible because of your AAs, specially 2C, that shit is godlike here. The downside to using AAs is that 6A is kinda slow and 2C is unsafe as hell. You can try using a random Heart Car with meter because she's too busy pouncing all over the damn screen. That and Momo AAs are lulz, they work more often than I want them to. The problem here is that Tao can crawl under more than half of your shit, you can use that to your advantage at times but that shit is annoying. That and she goes down with 1 mid-screen combo and 2 corner combos lol. Lambda is a pain though. Your pokes are too damn slow to catch her. Your only hope here is that she trips over her own feet with a missed Drive or something. That and the missiles are a godsend just as long as she doesn't impale you during start-up. She crumbles when you catch her though and like Tao, she dies with 1 mid-screen and 2 corner combos. I don't even deal with this match-up if I'm up against a good Lambda, I just go back to using Jin lololol.

Those quotes are godlike lol.

I don't really trash it, I just don't enjoy watching people doing stupidly retarded stuff. As a beginner, there was not a single time I used random Ice Car or random Sekkajins in CT (CT was the first fighting game I took seriously too). The moment I saw that these could be punished is the moment I thought "why do people keep on doing that if they know they're going to be punished?"

Easier said than done. The community here in Indianapolis, IN usually post in SRK and you can guess what games they prefer over BB. The few people (I'm talking about 2-3 people) that did play BB for a minute are now playing GG, nothing wrong with that but I wish they would go back to playing BB a little bit more. I have to practically beg people to play BB and this game is rarely, if ever featured as even a side game in local tournaments. I guess I can try to bring BB hype once I fix my ride and can go back to locals. It's like this though, I can try and convince the people that used to play BB to play BB again but there's no fucking way in hell I can convince those who didn't and get them to play it, they might play a few matches for the lulz but that's about it. In the same way, I just can't play and enjoy SF or Marvel. Different people, different tastes. The stuff in that link is not THAT bad, so I could hype that lol. Call me an asshole but I just can't hype really low-level stuff or stuff that I don't enjoy watching. I'll hype mid to high-level matches depending on how close the matches are and/or if something really hype happens during the match but that's about it.

Man, I just got through an extensive session of Platinum vs Hakumen and this match-up is a tough one and I can imagine that it's a true pain in the ass in CSE. If you're both in the air and you're at a range where your j.C might hit him... don't even bother, his j.C will always beat you in terms of speed and range and his j.2C does too if you're a few frames late. His 2D makes it a pain to try and poke him on the ground, gotta poke with extreme care. His Drives and Void say "nope" to your missiles and bombs, although the bomb still goes through it and the explosion might still just hit him. Cat Hammer is godlike here though and I'm looking forward to the CH combos in CSE. He's vulnerable if you get through his zoning range though, 5A x n and Swallow mix-up ftw but even here you still have to be careful of his drives. I can't wait for CSE

Plat is C-tier because she has weak defenses (no real reversal options), has slow normals, and really only does consistent damage (even if it's amazing damage) near/in the corner. The random factor is just a minor set back. All in my opinion of course. Chyeah, team C-tier going in lololol.

lol thanks, gotta get as much done before school and work start back up.

I don't know if my dad is streaming at the moment. I'm gonna grab a quick snack and I'll try hopping online.

Created the Gameplay Mechanics thread, that's it for my mod duties for today lol.

Oh well, we'll just have to work with that. The buffs and the nerf to it make that a pretty balanced move either way.

What about 2D?

Oh and was it ever confirmed if 2D is actually slower? Also, how is j.2C's hit-box worse now?

Yeah, Swallow Moon start-up + the j.2C start-up make for an awfully slow cross-up. If they block it then I can at least reset pressure but if they AA me out of it then I'm in deep shit lol. I brought this up because I saw it in a Japanese match video and thought, "Why not? It might just work when used in a whim."

Thread updated, thanks a lot people

I've seen it happen very rarely but it is something to keep in mind. As true as that might be, we still have to worry about 6B gatlings. It's one of Ragna's most common options during pressure. Good stuff. True, I rarely see Ragnas even attempt to bait DPs outside of wake-up. Same, I've actually never seen anyone try to bait after 6D. They usually do it after j.D. You're right, jumping over it is usually the safest choice. That's true, there's always the anti-Gold Burst OS. That and Ragna needs to do j.D a little high off the ground or else you'll get a Green Burst since the j.D > jab link is tight. Noted, it's not like every Ragna will behave as how I want them to behave lol. D: All good shit, I'll be sure to update the thread with this info.

Woot, thanks for the insight, KayEff. Lots of good stuff to be picked from that.

I'd do it as a clutch, in the same way that I reset 5A x n sloppy hit-confirms into command throw when there's a bubble floating around and they'll be thrown into it by the command grab lmao

Cool, thanks, I'll update the thread with that info. As for the frame trap, I make it a rule to not push buttons on moves that gatling into other moves unless I'm absolutely positive that a IB > jab will work lol. That's just me though and it might come in handy for other people later on.

Man, some of this stuff is rather godlike. Wish I'd visited other character threads more often lol.

6C > TK Specials ala CT Bang, I've never, ever heard of it until now. Does this shit still work on CSE? lol

Bleh, more character specific stuff to deal with. I'll give it a try lol. Yup, not many people expect cross-ups when dealing with Platinum when she doesn't have the hammer equipped. Should work if used occasionally.

Nice, the reward seems to outweigh the risk here. I'll definitely look forward to trying these new mix-ups. http://www.dustloop.com/forums/showthread.php?12976-CSE-Jin-vs-Ragna&p=1228462#post1228462 What do you guys think? Done with the first match-up thread, for now at least until more info pops up.

I'm taking your word for it, these mix-ups have potential. As for the match-up format, the more organized the better lol.

Questions: 1.) Does the hammer loop still whiff on Hakumen and Hazama? It usually whiffs at the second set (sj.B > j.C > JC > j.C > j.D) 2.) How do you guys feel about IAD Swallow > j.C cross-ups? Do you think they're worth the risk if you have your back against the corner and you wanna trade spots with the opponent?