ZONG_one Posted September 14, 2010 Posted September 14, 2010 I like people saying X NERF makes me doubt ASW doesn't listen to scrubs in rebalancing. Thay changed Ragna's DP because it was fucking dumb. That is all. Not because scrubs complained about it. Think about it. Scrubs can't even IB > DP in a blockstring, much less combo off of it. Meaning, this move isn't dumb if you're a scrub, and you're probably NOT complaining about it. At high level play, this move is fucking dumb, and you can combo off of it for good meter? No one else can, or they get shitty damage and meter for it, deal with it. Same goes for every other nerf that these so called scrubs had so much influence in changing. I don't even know if I understand myself after reading through this thread.
LordSpectreX Posted September 14, 2010 Posted September 14, 2010 That logic regarding scrubs makes no sense. Why would a scrub complain about something he can do? A scrub would complain about something he can't do, like IB -> ID. So in a way, your kind of helped the other side of the argument. The Noel Nerf thing was a joke anyway. I'm suprised people are taking it seriously a few pages later. >_>
Akiro Posted September 14, 2010 Posted September 14, 2010 Scrubs complain about stuff they can do, but don't know shit about all the time. "yeah, this DP last for -3.23 frames so you can instant block me and use a move that only last 1.43 frames, thats why she counters Ragna. Its pretty cheap, they should nerf it Ragna's inferno divider so its weaker but comes out faster." I've heard someone say that over the mic once.
whitevoid Posted September 14, 2010 Posted September 14, 2010 OH yeah... Inferno Divider... I like how I'll always call that move anything but it's name, dragon punch, volcanic viper... but inferno divider. Yes. Generally uppercut-type moves are invincible. Generally 6A (grounded anti-air) type moves are upper/air invincible. These moves LOOK like they might have invincibility. It's not even that hard usually to guess the input of the move if you just look at the animation. However, Noel's drive animations and properties are totally out of left field. This makes her wacky properties even harder to remember because there is little to no coherence with what you see on the screen. ... At least until you end up attacking through the move. Then it's pretty obvious I guess. If I looked at Hakumen's 2C and his 6A, I would have thought that his 2C would have invulnerability and that his 6A wouldn't. I don't really know what to say. If you are going to make unfounded assumptions about moves that end up being wrong, most people would just go "uh oh, I made an unfounded assumption about something, but i was wrong and i won't do that again" not cry out that it's broken. There is nothing about Tager's Sledge that makes me think "projectile invulnerable!" But it is. It doesn't need a flashing sign telling me that. Jin's 623A you would think has some invulnerability to it, but it doesn't. Hazama's command throw has invulnerability but Bang's doesn't. Why doesn't Noel's jD which shoots down at you from over your head count as an overhead, when she is shooting from over your head? Because that's just the way it is. Figuring that stuff out is what experience and testing is for. (and forums). This isn't Street Fighter.
ZONG_one Posted September 14, 2010 Posted September 14, 2010 That logic regarding scrubs makes no sense. Why would a scrub complain about something he can do? A scrub would complain about something he can't do, like IB -> ID. So in a way, your kind of helped the other side of the argument. Scrubs play with scrubs. His friend can't do it either, so he's not being hit by it. Neither of them are complaining because they both suck.
whitevoid Posted September 14, 2010 Posted September 14, 2010 There are little white circles when you 'hit' a move that is invincible to your hit. How do people not see these things? SERIOUSLY?! I'm going to blame it on the fact that I play on a tiny ass television.
Zeldias Posted September 14, 2010 Posted September 14, 2010 Just wanted to say that I always found it weird that Noel doesn't play more like Face from Battle Fantasia, since she wields a pair of big guns. I also didn't know about the white circles. I think I noticed them in Calamity Trigger, but not in this. I should be more observant.
SimpleKiss Posted September 14, 2010 Posted September 14, 2010 Scrubs complain everything. If it does a lot of damage, especially if it take no (perceived) effort, it'll get bitched about. All you do is spam fireballs wtf, you hit me with your sword three times and I died, Hakumen's fucking broke as shit, what a faggot character (from a V-13 player, via x-box live in CT.) the way I see it, people who complaining about the CSII changes because ASW nerfing stuff that scrubs complained about are just complaining ass scrubs. There's like layers of scrubdom, like yomi. forum complainings, whining about nerfs that came about because of scrubs complaining, is like yomi layer 3 to them. They're ahead in their own little mindgame.
ZONG_one Posted September 14, 2010 Posted September 14, 2010 Which scrub layer is it when you (not you in particular) complain about changes that aren't even confirmed yet? That's gotta be layer 4. Stay godlike in the scrub world.
evilben Posted September 14, 2010 Posted September 14, 2010 GOD I CANT BELIEVE THEY ARNT GIVING TAGER EYE LAZORZ WTF ARKSYSTEMSWERKS WHY YOU HAV 2 NURF TAGER LIEK THAT? level 5 achieved?
SimpleKiss Posted September 14, 2010 Posted September 14, 2010 Which scrub layer is it when you (not you in particular) complain about changes that aren't even confirmed yet? That's gotta be layer 4. Stay godlike in the scrub world. That's still Layer 3, I'd say. That's all part of their mix-up
Hecatom Posted September 14, 2010 Posted September 14, 2010 man this new wave of fighting game players are just depressing, not saying that all, but hell the vast majority GOD I CANT BELIEVE THEY ARNT GIVING TAGER EYE LAZORZ WTF ARKSYSTEMSWERKS WHY YOU HAV 2 NURF TAGER LIEK THAT? level 5 achieved? wrong, TAGER IS OP, NURF THAT SON OF A BITCH ASAP
ZONG_one Posted September 14, 2010 Posted September 14, 2010 man this new wave of fighting game players are just depressing, not saying that all, but hell the vast majority Lol they're all from Call of Duty. :] Uh oh, I think I just fired the first shot.
Jourdal Posted September 14, 2010 Posted September 14, 2010 man this new wave of fighting game players are just depressing, not saying that all, but hell the vast majority Saying things like this doesn't help anything at all tbqh.
Hecatom Posted September 14, 2010 Posted September 14, 2010 AND WHEN MVC3 COMES OUT, IT WOULD BE WORSE THAN THE FLODGE THAT CAME WITH SF4
evilben Posted September 14, 2010 Posted September 14, 2010 Id say halo.... the biggest problem with the new wave of fighting game players is they never played the "hard" games. now im not saying blazblue is easy, but it is way more friendly than guiltygear. just life SFIV is way more friendly than SFII or SFIII. because someone can walk in and do OK not really knowing what they are doing makes it so they dont take the time to really learn the game, and because they do okay makes them think they know something about it. back when i first started playing fighting games (on SF3) i got my ass whooped over and over and over again before i learned how to actually play the game, but that ass whoopin' forced me to either go home or step up. unfortunately that middle ground has emerged and people who in the past would choose 'go home' now have a purgatory to stick around in and pull the rest of us down. very reminiscent of the changes in the player base in final fantasy xi, they made the game friendlier and easier and a bunch or really crappy players showed up (it didnt help that they put it on XBL either...) my 2 cents
ZONG_one Posted September 14, 2010 Posted September 14, 2010 MVC3 will make me laugh. I like how I went on TvC online, and mashed out variations of A/2A, B/2B, C/2C, assist, run up AxN, repeat. And I raped everyone on there. I don't even play that game, and I can do 50+ hit combos with almost any team wtf. lol. I hear Marvel 3 is worse, in that all of the chars have cookie-cutter-combos so far.
Afrikaan Posted September 14, 2010 Posted September 14, 2010 AND WHEN MVC3 COMES OUT, IT WOULD BE WORSE THAN THE FLODGE THAT CAME WITH SF4 It already is. Have you SEEN the MVC3 boards at srk?
SimpleKiss Posted September 14, 2010 Posted September 14, 2010 AND WHEN MVC3 COMES OUT, IT WOULD BE WORSE THAN THE FLODGE THAT CAME WITH SF4 The average Blazblue fan these days are the ones that go to anime conventions dressed up like Taokaka
Blade Posted September 14, 2010 Posted September 14, 2010 Honestly I think we need a professional scrub opinion on the current changes. And despite what you may think, I am not qualified. I don't consider any moves to be cheap...I just lament when they are taken out for any one character.
Hecatom Posted September 14, 2010 Posted September 14, 2010 It already is. Have you SEEN the MVC3 boards at srk? yes i have seen them, but believe me when i say that it will get worse Saying things like this doesn't help anything at all tbqh. maybe, but im started to get tired of see how they throw random nonsense believing that they have enough experience to talk about waht makes good a game or what ruins it or like in this thread, see how they cry for meaningless changes at a 1st local test that more than probable wouldnt stay The average Blazblue fan these days are the ones that go to anime conventions dressed up like Taokaka thats other thing, its like some people are here for the wrong reasons
Jourdal Posted September 14, 2010 Posted September 14, 2010 @Hecatom, i see what you're saying, and not trying to come off as pro or some shit because...as you all know im fucking terrible at this game . But i don't feel elitism, aka the whole "zomg the crowd BB/SF brought in is shit" thing really helps anything (specially when no one here is japanese )at all but again i see what you're saying. I remember WAY back when i found out KV and Mike z were members and i asked why i dont see them post too often. Their answer was that scrubs kept arguing with them about shit they didnt understand. As for the loketest bitching...it was the same as last time, do you not remember how nuts the Ara mains went? but for the most part its less bitching and more "woot we got something to talk about". Because despite many people knowing these changes are anything but final, these same people post (it IS a forum). If you look at BBG there's a damn 30 page thread regarding ms. 3 second footage loli..so they can go on about that imagine this.
St1ckBuG Posted September 14, 2010 Posted September 14, 2010 Honestly I think we need a professional scrub opinion on the current changes. And despite what you may think, I am not qualified. I don't consider any moves to be cheap...I just lament when they are taken out for any one character. Yeah ZONG, what's your opinion? Double spaced 1 page please. Include atleast 2 Brawl/Smash references.
ZONG_one Posted September 14, 2010 Posted September 14, 2010 Honestly I think we need a professional scrub opinion on the current changes. And despite what you may think, I am not qualified. I don't consider any moves to be cheap...I just lament when they are taken out for any one character. Ay yo get at me with that corner proration. @St1ck: that's my opinion.
DoomieJ Posted September 14, 2010 Posted September 14, 2010 Honestly I think we need a professional scrub opinion on the current changes. And despite what you may think, I am not qualified. I don't consider any moves to be cheap...I just lament when they are taken out for any one character. If anyone is a pro scrub, its you. Please, i want to hear your opinion on these changes. Please, blow my mind. I am all ears waiting for your response Blade.
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