Hey if "Posting Dumb Shit" is an infraction worthy offense

[Delrian]

In my opinion, the badge system could be tested, or implemented, by getting others to contribute to some overall BB guide. We have an excellent GG guide that has a lot of things that can be applied to BB, but a dedicated BB guide complete with combos, strategies, matchups, frame data, etc. would be a big task (and a huge accomplishment) for Dustloop. It would help newer players get into the game/scene, as well as making Dustloop appear more professional. As previously stated, it would take a lot of work, especially since the moderators would have to organize and write up all this information (on top of their other tasks).

Just an idea that came from that pokemon web magazine... Doesn't exactly help with the people posting inaccurate information, or stupid trolling/flaming though.

Edited October 29, 2010 by Delrian

[C0R]

That's an excellent suggestion, and I think you should make a new thread for it. I think this one is just about done.

[Aksiot]

That's an excellent suggestion, and I think you should make a new thread for it. I think this one is just about done.

this.

[Dacidbro]

Going way back to when everyone was arguing about banning stupid people, I need to express why it could never work for Dustloop

Stupidity is popular here.

I spent a whole day telling some idiot Ragna 5C wasn't unsafe on block because he got it into his head that static difference -8 means it's punishable. And people were agreeing with him.

I THINK THAT'S ENOUGH SAID ALREADY.

[WolfCrimson]

^Did you tell them that it revolvers (gattles?)/cancels into other safer things on block?

[Dacidbro]

The very first thing I told him is that static difference means very little when your move can gatling into all specials and many normals. He was still too dense to understand, and was insulting me and my intelligence the whole while.

I think I used the exact quote "most people call the circumstance encountered when 5C is blocked as mix up, not unsafe"

[mAc Chaos]

I would just say that 5C can cancel out of the recovery into other moves so that recovery only applies if you don't do another move after it. He would have to understand that. :P

[Heroic_Legacy]

Mac you give mankind too much credit.

[psycofang2]

The very first thing I told him is that static difference means very little when your move can gatling into all specials and many normals. He was still too dense to understand, and was insulting me and my intelligence the whole while.

I think I used the exact quote "most people call the circumstance encountered when 5C is blocked as mix up, not unsafe"

not saying you SHOULD but why not just use ragna beat the crap out of the derp derp and show him how "unsafe" it is. he just sounds paranoid.

[mAc Chaos]

I can kind of see what he could be thinking, "safe" meaning that there's no way they'd get hit after it, whereas with 5C leading into mixup, you're still putting yourself out there to get mashed out of aren't you?

Mac you give mankind too much credit.

looooooooool

[Dacidbro]

Anyway my point is he was retarded and other people backed him up. Dustloop embodies mob mentality, every single time I've gone against the popular grain I've been ridiculed, regardless of accuracy.

There was no victory possible, I tried everything. And while it's obvious now, apparently it was hard enough to realize that people absolutely did not get it, no matter how many ways I spelled it out.

EDIT: No he was arguing that because 5C was -8, you get hit. Not the semantics of safe.

A similar escapade occurred when I challenged the Rachel forum who were saying not to use 2C; I said it is a very useful guard point, and needs to be used to make your opponent have any respect for your defensive options. I was absolutely ridiculed. Granted, it's not the best move, but there are circumstances where you can use it on reaction to punish; naturally, it has functions, then.

Edited October 29, 2010 by Dacidbro

[killionaire]

A similar escapade occurred when I challenged the Rachel forum who were saying not to use 2C; I said it is a very useful guard point, and needs to be used to make your opponent have any respect for your defensive options. I was absolutely ridiculed. Granted, it's not the best move, but there are circumstances where you can use it on reaction to punish; naturally, it has functions, then.

I remember. Although I recall you were trying to argue that it was a decent DP, which it obviously isn't.

Some people thought it was useless though. Eventually we came to the consensus that it was a bad move, but a necessary one.

[mAc Chaos]

I remember that too. Wasn't that when they were all CT Rachels? Now that they have to l2defend it's probably different :P

[Skye]

A similar escapade occurred when I challenged the Rachel forum who were saying not to use 2C; I said it is a very useful guard point, and needs to be used to make your opponent have any respect for your defensive options. I was absolutely ridiculed. Granted, it's not the best move, but there are circumstances where you can use it on reaction to punish; naturally, it has functions, then.

Well, it you, vs them and they use the character.

[Zidane]

Dacidbro: I secondary Bang; I main the character you play.

[Wirya]

Anyway my point is he was retarded and other people backed him up. Dustloop embodies mob mentality, every single time I've gone against the popular grain I've been ridiculed, regardless of accuracy.

I'm not sure about that, but if that's true, then I REALLY HATE that.

Community =/= Mob

[Dacidbro]

Dustloop has proven it countless times, Wirya.

Here's how it is, real talk:

Offline dustloop = community

Online dustloop = mob

There are exceptions to this rule, but they are generally uncommon in my experience.

Lol zidane godlike

[killionaire]

Dustloop has proven it countless times, Wirya.

Here's how it is, real talk:

Offline dustloop = community

Online dustloop = mob

There are exceptions to this rule, but they are generally uncommon in my experience.

Lol zidane godlike

I can see how this works.. Another factor to consider when trying to figure out how to solve our problems.

However, are there any netplay-exclusive players at all who could technically fit into the "know what's he's talking about." category?

(Zidane comes up with some form of genius every 15 minutes it seems)

[GenoWhirl]

Anyway my point is he was retarded and other people backed him up. Dustloop embodies mob mentality, every single time I've gone against the popular grain I've been ridiculed, regardless of accuracy.

There was no victory possible, I tried everything. And while it's obvious now, apparently it was hard enough to realize that people absolutely did not get it, no matter how many ways I spelled it out.

EDIT: No he was arguing that because 5C was -8, you get hit. Not the semantics of safe.

A similar escapade occurred when I challenged the Rachel forum who were saying not to use 2C; I said it is a very useful guard point, and needs to be used to make your opponent have any respect for your defensive options. I was absolutely ridiculed. Granted, it's not the best move, but there are circumstances where you can use it on reaction to punish; naturally, it has functions, then.

Excuse me didn't we agree 2C was good in the middle of opponent blockstrings if you knew WTF you were doing?

[mikenapalm]

Im not too big on the idea of badges. The whole thing just seems reaaaaaaal dumb. Too much competition in trying to level up their e-peen, and may increase the amount of bullshit clouding up the threads by people trying to hard to earn them and not fact checking. Thus causing more eyestabbing and brain cell loss on everyone's part.

I'm not entirely sure if you can do it on vbulletin, but I know you can make, for lack of a better term coming to me right now, administrative groups(ie: admin> supermod> mod> average joe) with different forum privilages. Why not create a postion between mod and average joe for each section(ideally, im not sure if theres a limit to how many can be created and if need be could be over simplified to just bb/ gg groups) and have some users that excel in character knowledge and/or are good area contributors(videos/ translations/frame data wizards etc). These people can be seen as a go-to for information about that character as well as working alongside the mods(no ban/infraction/edit/delete privilages.) with maintaining their area. Maybe have a section only their postion and higher can see so that they can point out specific posts that need attention for any mod online to handle.

I apologize if that came off confusing. Its the end of my day, and Im not the best with words right now. Ill clarify more when I wake up if need be.

tl;dr: increase the chain of command, work together as a team to ensure better posting, and newbies will respect the higher postion.

[FormerlyUnknown]

Anyway my point is he was retarded and other people backed him up. Dustloop embodies mob mentality, every single time I've gone against the popular grain I've been ridiculed, regardless of accuracy.There was no victory possible, I tried everything. And while it's obvious now, apparently it was hard enough to realize that people absolutely did not get it, no matter how many ways I spelled it out.

EDIT: No he was arguing that because 5C was -8, you get hit. Not the semantics of safe.

A similar escapade occurred when I challenged the Rachel forum who were saying not to use 2C; I said it is a very useful guard point, and needs to be used to make your opponent have any respect for your defensive options. I was absolutely ridiculed. Granted, it's not the best move, but there are circumstances where you can use it on reaction to punish; naturally, it has functions, then.

i too have experience this. I know I'm not grade A at this game but just because i'm an average-netplayer (Because there's 1 person to play with in my area, who's psn, so I don't see the point in studying 8 hours a day on a game I'll never get to play competitively) doesn't mean I have good ideas.

Dustloop is a fighting game community (mob), and those communities (mobs) are usually the most confrontational and disagreeable of all communities. I understand that it's a competitive style and perhaps that's what brings out the competitive a-holes in people. People are much quicker to gang up on someone for stating wrong facts or going against the grain and call them out and cause conflicts rather than point them in the right direction or explain things about the game. I understand it's not the veteran players job to baby-sit, but if seeing someone be wrong about the game bugs them so much you would think spending 3 minutes to give a link to the information or explain the situation would be a worthwhile endeavor. I understand you can't help everyone, but instead of picking out people to be the black sheep of the communities and are hopeless, idiots, or trolls, the community should focus more on helping people learn the game, get better, and make good competition (I always thought that was the whole point of fighting game communities).

Also, sometimes those "Black sheep" have good ideas or thoughts on a subject, however the communitiy refuses to take anything they say seriously and merely bash on them for thinking it was ok for them to talk about "Their game". which makes it exceedingly hard for the community to grow and evolve.

Edited October 29, 2010 by FormerlyUnknown

[Wirya]

The difference between "community" and "mob" is in the existence of ego.

"Community" is an ego-less thing.

[Abominable K]

Well in that sense there is no "community" in the fighting game scene.

[Kuuhaku]

Dacid- To correct you a little on 2C. Yes, it's not useless and the guard point that comes out in 3 frames makes it very tempting to use. But in almost any situation that 2C might look like a good idea, IB + 5A/2A/5B is a better option. If you're reliant on cat chair to make them respect you, then that means you're not comfortable enough with these normals. Against some people 2C is an easy out, but one that if you guess wrong it's a huge punch to the face. Because of this, people bait 2Cs all day long. It's a lot better to use 2A/5A/5B because if you guess wrong, then it's not as big of a deal as if you guessed wrong with 2C... especially since 2C has enough recovery to be a free FC for some characters.

Edited October 29, 2010 by Bohemian Polka

[Spirit Juice]

Okay, time to post a serious post.

Many people believe that people that spread misinformation/are terrible/don't learn need to be removed from the site, and while I am inclined to agree, that isn't the purpose of having a site like this. Dustloop is supposed to be a site where people can come get information about a game (gameplay or story stuff), get in touch with their local community, and find events.

In terms of gameplay, this is a site that is made for people to learn and grow. Obviously, people cannot learn and grow without either reading information or posting misinformation and then getting corrected by others. The site cannot function without people discussion strategies, what works, what doesn't work, what are gimmicks, etc. Now there are players that post misinformation and seem like they cannot grasp certain concepts as to when they are corrected, and no matter how much someone corrects them with good information, they reject it. People want these kinds of players removed from the site, or to not allow them to post (which is pretty much removing them from the site anyways), but who are they to judge that someone is incapable of learning? If you try to teach someone algebra and they don't get it after several lessons, do you just kick them out of the school? Pretty harsh.

There ARE rare occasions in which someone may be banned/removed from the site because of their gameplay related info. One such example was reaVer. ReaVer was an Order Sol player from Europe that had a notorious reputation for giving advice that, more or less, required someone to be 100% psychic or have one frame reaction times. Another such member would be Clayton/Final Showdown. While FS was one of the early members of the GGXX community and greatly helped the community get on its feet in terms of gameplay information, his information eventually became "empty" information. In other words, he would make posts about useless or secret glitches that were impractical, but tried to pass them off as legitimate or gamebreaking strategies. He would also reference to them in his posts, but never explain them in detail because he was too lazy to explain it to anyone that had not seen a previous post of his burried in the bowels of DL somewhere. Eventually it reached a boiling point in which all of his posts were like that, so we removed him from the site.

These were very rare and extreme cases, and really there hasn't been cases like either of them since. One could argue that Blade is such a case, but having been part of the community since gamecombos.com, I'm confident in saying that Blade isn't nearly as bad as either of those two, and slowly but surely, he is becoming aware of his own ignorance.

If we only want a community that removes "bad" players that don't learn and never improve, Dustloop may as well be a private, tree house community with a "no girls allowed" sign on the door. I think we had a site like that once, RomanCancel.com at one point, but that site failed very hard, very quickly. Or maybe it wasn't RomanCancel.com, but I do recall a private GG site going up at one point and it did not do very well at all.

As far as a reputation kind of system (medals, gold stars, candy, whatever), that is pretty pointless. The only thing that matters in a fighting game community is tournament results, and anyone who cares about the competitive scene will know who the good players are and what their accomplishments are. Players don't need small little icons to represent their tournament accomplishments. If we had a kind of system where we had contribution points that essentially did nothing but add small little icons under people's names or something, it would probably do more harm than good. People would try to contribute not because they want to help the community, but rather that they just want silly little icons under their name. End result would likely be more misinformation spreading than we have now.

So what can we do as a community? Less trolling, more contributing. People that spread misinformation will always be part of the community, and it's up to the sensible people of the community to correct them and more or less make sure proper information is given. Don't troll them, as it only makes things worse. People tend to forget this is a community and it needs to be treated as such. Staff cannot babysit the community in order to make it grow, and if we did like people are suggesting, we're just going to turn into Smash Boards where some secret society decides everything for the community. It is up to the community to improve itself, not a handful of people deciding what's best.