[CS1] Noel Beginner Questions: You Gotta Start Somewhere

[HexaNoid]

Not really.

Have you got any videos of you doing that successfully? Sounds pretty interesting to me.

[The1Knightmare]

Actually, j.D > d.6D > d.5C > d.6B > 236D is my main ender, and it doesn't do any less damage, in fact, most of the time it does a very small amount of extra damage, about 1-20 damage more, and it is more reliable, so I recommend always using that variation midscreen while switching to j.D > d.6D > d.6B > d.5B > d.5C > 236D for corner enders.

Extra damage? But whatever, the damage difference between the two was incredibly minor.

But the question was why does j.D > d.6D > d.6B > d.5C > 236D sometimes cross over?

[LunaKage]

Extra damage? But whatever, the damage difference between the two was incredibly minor.

But the question was why does j.D > d.6D > d.6B > d.5C > 236D sometimes cross over?

Stupid hit boxes, happens with my ender sometimes too, but the d.6B after the d.5C auto corrects in time for you to fix your motion for bloom trigger.

[SkyKing]

Not really.

Have you got any videos of you doing that successfully? Sounds pretty interesting to me.

There are some videos online that demonstrate it. It works the same way as Ken's step kick kara-throw in SSF4, except you use 5D as the move that'll let you move forward. You will know you get it when she begins to talk for the 5D, but then goes for the grab immediately after she says it. I've tried it with string where the throw would normally whiff, like 5A x n > 2B or 2B > 2B. It'll reach far enough to grab them.

[Sahgren]

There are some videos online that demonstrate it. It works the same way as Ken's step kick kara-throw in SSF4, except you use 5D as the move that'll let you move forward. You will know you get it when she begins to talk for the 5D, but then goes for the grab immediately after she says it. I've tried it with string where the throw would normally whiff, like 5A x n > 2B or 2B > 2B. It'll reach far enough to grab them.

I could never get the timing for it. I'd always hit 5D~BC as quickly as I could, and ended up with just a 5D

[SkyKing]

I could never get the timing for it. I'd always hit 5D~BC as quickly as I could, and ended up with just a 5D

I've just pianoed it, unless you play on pad. It's almost hitting them at the same time. If anything, watch some tutorials with p-linking in SF4, especially those with the view of the joystick. It's kinda the same idea.

[Sahgren]

I've just pianoed it, unless you play on pad. It's almost hitting them at the same time. If anything, watch some tutorials with p-linking in SF4, especially those with the view of the joystick. It's kinda the same idea.

Right-o, I'll go try that.

[MiraclePizza]

There's no reason to use d.6B d.5C unless you want to end with a j.D Fenrir. Even though they're technically interchangable for many combos, d.5C d.6B will always work more often than d.6B d.5C.

[Sahgren]

Ok, got the kara cancel. The distance traveled isn't consistent, but at least I'm getting the throw to come out 90% of the time.

[Danny Schme]

Do any of you ever use her kara-throw?

Yes! No reason not to, really. Like all throws, its good once or twice a match. The reach on the kara-throw will mess with people fairly well. Especially those only familiar with the range of the normal grab.

Pimp my Noel plz !

Tech purple grabs and you'll be doing much better overall. Lots of free damage from that. I remember seeing a few reps of haidas throughout the set so I'm sure there was minimal lag to where purple throws are easily teched.

Hitconfirms, as Luna said. While its rare the overhead actually hits, you always have to be on your toes to capitalize.

Majority of the time, Bang stood up for your overhead before the animation was even halfway done. If your opponent is really good at reacting to overheads, sparingly throw in a command throw. Its slow as hell but most people forget that she has it. There is a huge risk in doing it but hell, we play Noel. Gotta do what you gotta do. Esp against characters who are as easily looped as Bang.

[Runis]

Pimp my Noel plz !

Well honestly you have very good fundamentals (much better than me so take anything I say with a grain of salt) But as said before, learn to hit confirm.

CH 5B on an aerial opponent links to jump cancel j.C air combo.

Saw one time you landed a 2D against a standing bang in the corner and went into 214A combo. Try to learn the optimal damage combos for corner use. 2D [d6A] d6C d2D d5D 623D 6C 5D d6B d5B d5C jc jD d6D 236D does more damage than 214A into 2B 6C j.D. Also I kinda dislike 214A in combos in that every single time I use d.6C 214A they burst just before the 214A connects, where as if I'm doing a Spring Raid combo, most moves have enough hit stop on them that you can react to the burst and hopefully punish.

Not enough use of meter. Many matches ended with you on 100% meter. 95% of the time 900 Damage from Fenrir isn't worth 50 meter, but if you're at max meter it's good for positioning in corner. But mostly you're not taking enough risks. Last tournament I was at was in October, and people still bitch about "3C RC 3C"

X Chain Revolver>623D RC j.C D.I 623D

6B RC 6B catches people too, since the standard response to blocking a 6B is to block low.

214D RC 2D sometimes catches people trying to punish.

But yeah, you're playing a character that's "High risk> Reasonable Reward" without exploiting the fact those risks can be made risk free.

[LunaKage]

Take note, that her Kara-throw doesn't seem to work if you gatlinged into 5D, I'm not sure why, but you can only kara throw if you do a naked 5D.

[The1Knightmare]

Extra damage? But whatever, the damage difference between the two was incredibly minor.

But the question was why does j.D > d.6D > d.6B > d.5C > 236D sometimes cross over?

I'm so stupid, the original question wasn't why it would sometimes cross over. The original question was why it sometimes blue beats in between the d.6B > d.5C.

[LunaKage]

I'm so stupid, the original question wasn't why it would sometimes cross over. The original question was why it sometimes blue beats in between the d.6B > d.5C.

There is another possibility too.

What is the full combo you are doing?

[MiraclePizza]

I'm so stupid, the original question wasn't why it would sometimes cross over. The original question was why it sometimes blue beats in between the d.6B > d.5C.

Your combo proration is too high, nothing more to it. Like I said, just stick with d.5C > d.6B except for a select few situations.

[The1Knightmare]

5D > d.6A > d.6C > 214A > 2B > 6C > j.D > d.6D > d.6B > d.5C > 236D

or

5D > d.6A > d.6C > d.2D > d.5D > d.623D > 66C > j.D > d.6D > d.6B > d.5C > 236D

It's not all the time, occasionally it would blue beat.

[Chiizu]

d.6B has less hitstun than d.5C so in longer combos there's a chance it might bluebeat unless you have a perfect timing with j.d and all that stuff. Just stick to d.5C>d.6B midscreen and it won't bluebeat.

[MiraclePizza]

5D > d.6A > d.6C > 214A > 2B > 6C > j.D > d.6D > d.6B > d.5C > 236D

or

5D > d.6A > d.6C > d.2D > d.5D > d.623D > 66C > j.D > d.6D > d.6B > d.5C > 236D

It's not all the time, occasionally it would blue beat.

For the first combo d.6B > d.5C should never blue beat unless you timed something wrong. Do your d.5C really early and see if it still blue beats sometimes, because I get the feeling that for whatever reason you're timing it too late which is the only explanation for that to happen in this combo.

For the second one use d.5C > d.6B.

[Runis]

Or fancy combos like

5D d6A d6C d6D d2D 623D 66C 236A 66C sjc j.D d5C 236D

2D d6A d6C d2D d5D 623D 66C 5D d6B [d5B] d5C jc [iAD] jD d6D 236D (the d5B is if they're in the corner or close enough to corner that after d5B d5C will hit. IAD is if they're close enough to get hit by d5C after d5B but too far for a normal jc to get you close enough. d5C has a long un-techable time.)

[Klazzix]

Found a decent meaty corner trap: ... d.6B d.5B d.5C Bloom 6C delay (tech'd) OpticA 66C 2D etc. Probably won't work in CS2 due to faster startup on Barrel. Just thought I'd post some stuff like this here since we don't really have a strategy guide around for CS1 that tacks traps and gimmicks.

[7r17r1]

Can somebody tell me where are the invulnerable frames of noel's backdash ? I don't understand the system data of DL

18 frames of backdash and 5 frame of invulnerability, but where ? at the start up or later ? :p

[Sahgren]

Can somebody tell me where are the invulnerable frames of noel's backdash ? I don't understand the system data of DL

18 frames of backdash and 5 frame of invulnerability, but where ? at the start up or later ? :p

According to the system guide, invul for back-dashes start on the first frame.

[Klazzix]

What's a good motion for IB'ing lows? Does 12121 work? I've been doing 15151 and I get hit from time to time during tight strings.

[SkyKing]

I do a combination of 212121 and 242424, just in case they throw in something that is an overhead or a whiff tech trap.

[Klazzix]

Arigatou

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