mAc Chaos Posted June 12, 2013 Posted June 12, 2013 Invite if you wanna keep playing. The way that match ended was too perfect. I kept trying to 360 all those times you were hitting me with 2B, and I don't think they were meaties. I kept messing up the input. Same with when I knew you were going to ID > RC but couldn't 720 in time. Maybe it won't be as laggy later tonight.
Ctrlaltwtf Posted June 12, 2013 Posted June 12, 2013 The way that match ended was too perfect. I kept trying to 360 all those times you were hitting me with 2B, and I don't think they were meaties. I kept messing up the input. Same with when I knew you were going to ID > RC but couldn't 720 in time. Maybe it won't be as laggy later tonight. Yeah, you've learned that 360A is not a 1F reversal via trial by fire lol.
mAc Chaos Posted June 12, 2013 Posted June 12, 2013 Playing Tager is like being the star of your own odyssey. The highest highs and the lowest lows. The neighbors probably thought there was an axe murder taking place in my apartment from the screams of outrage, and then I won and it was the greatest moment of my life.
mAc Chaos Posted June 12, 2013 Posted June 12, 2013 Yeah, you've learned that 360A is not a 1F reversal via trial by fire lol. How could those be meaties, you were literally on the other side of the screen when I first hit the ground. There's no way you'd get over there in time.
Ctrlaltwtf Posted June 12, 2013 Posted June 12, 2013 How could those be meaties, you were literally on the other side of the screen when I first hit the ground. There's no way you'd get over there in time. Neutral Tech takes 32F. That's literally just a tiny bit more than half a second. Half a second is a really long time in FGs, especially against a character who can run as fast as Ragna can. That's something you're not used to when fighting me. Seriously none of my characters can run lol.
someonewhodied Posted June 12, 2013 Posted June 12, 2013 Ggs to gold and nemesis. Shoutouts to snazzy for falling for every single reset i threw out in my first match with him.
Lich Posted June 12, 2013 Posted June 12, 2013 (edited) Stuff. Well that was just one example of good mashing, but it seems to me that in your opinion characters like Ragna shouldn't use their 4frame dp. I mean, he has that tool for a reason you know, so he can get out of pressure. Sometimes you have to take that 'guess' because these characters have very strong mix-up, some of it un-reactable. I'd like to say I block pretty well, but the whole time I'm blocking I'm always looking for an opportunity to capitalize on a mistake. Sometimes if I'm blocking for too long and this guy is LITERALLY just pressing every button in the world to keep me blocking, why the hell wouldn't I mash some kind of reversal to get him off me? Yes it's a risk, but as good as it feels when you block that mix-up blocking is your most vulnerable position. Did you know that one of the things Souji said about american players at NEC is that he had fun playing us because we didn't mash anything and let him just do whatever he wanted pretty much. You know what that means? Jp players mash plenty and when you don't mash literally ever you allow your opponent to do whatever they want on your face. Without some kind of conditioning, without that fear of the mash a larger variety of mix-up is open to you. Reversals are in this game for a reason, much like the back-dash. It's so you can get away. If you're not using all of your options, sorry you're not playing the game right. I'm not saying blocking is bad, because blocking is the safest thing you can do of course granted you can block; however, mashing is an option and although you should use it sparingly, it's another option and you need to use it sometimes even if it's just to instill the fear that the option exists. Edited June 12, 2013 by Lich
Dark Ranger88 Posted June 12, 2013 Posted June 12, 2013 (edited) GGs Ace...Fucking slippery Hazama Also have we come to a consensus that there are two types of mashing?: Pro Mashing: Waiting for an opening in your opponent's pressure and intelligently inputting a move that will interrupt them. Scrub Mashing: Wiggling the stick back and forth while spamming C until Inferno Divider comes out or you get fatal'd. Edited June 12, 2013 by Dark Ranger88
Ctrlaltwtf Posted June 12, 2013 Posted June 12, 2013 God damn all this talk of mash is making me hungry. I love good mash. Seriously though, I think "predictive mashing" is totally an acceptable thing. It's just another facet of yomi. You're throwing your stake behind a chance that a move will get you a reversal. But the move needs to come out as soon as possible on a frame gap you can't predict so you have to mash. If you think you're going to get frame trapped, so you stop mashing and block it, that's a sign that your defenses are adaptive. When I'm defending I frequently mash directionals without mashing the buttons. It lets me do stuff with one button if I think a good opportunity will arise, without making me do shit I don't mean to. Perfect example is 720. I spin the control stick often while in blockstrings (yes, you can block gapless strings this way), and hold my finger over the C button ready to push it at a moment's notice. The bad kind of mashing is the pushing tons of buttons because you just hope something will happen. Those are the people that get CH all day on wake-up/frame gaps. Those people suck at hit confirming too and always put a huge number of unnecessary A pokes in their "combos." They're also easy to get purple throws on. The difference is simply whether or not you have a plan. For instance if I mash DPs with 50 meter I'm fully prepared to RC if I get blocked and proceed to put my opponent in pressure. I'm not mashing it with reckless abandon and just praying it'll work out.
LionHeartx Posted June 12, 2013 Posted June 12, 2013 GGs Ace...Fucking slippery Hazama Also have we come to a consensus that there are two types of mashing?: Pro Mashing: Waiting for an opening in your opponent's pressure and intelligently inputting a move that will interrupt them. Scrub Mashing: Wiggling the stick back and forth while spamming C until Inferno Divider comes out or you get fatal'd. gg's yo. dont know why it has taken me so long to realize i can just 2C lightning arrow this mashing talk is funny cause i just realized a few days ago im wayyyy to respectful (not just in BB but in all the fighters i play honestly) and i'll just block until i get hit or can upback out. i agree that its important to know when to mash (ie strings with gaps, obvious mixup attempts) and not just mash cause you're scared/anxious.
toanenadiz Posted June 12, 2013 Posted June 12, 2013 Also have we come to a consensus that there are two types of mashing?: Pro Mashing: Waiting for an opening in your opponent's pressure and intelligently inputting a move that will interrupt them. Scrub Mashing: Wiggling the stick back and forth while spamming C until Inferno Divider comes out or you get fatal'd. I believe that is what everyone already has agreed on. It is just that some people don't care to place that big of a distinction between them. I always refer to it as mashing whenever I press buttons on defense since it is always a risk. I'm not referring to situations like after Bang's 623B( where Bang is at a clear disadvantage) or pretty much anytime Tsubaki tries to use that overhead of her's (since it is slow enough that you can just poke her out of it). It is more like situations after Noel 6B on block, where it isn't guaranteed that pressing a button would work. Even in situations where it can seem good and intelligent to do, the opponent can typically do something to catch you and they will probably think "What a mashing scrub". So the only distinction I put on mash is 'mash that worked' and 'mash that didn't'.
Airk Posted June 12, 2013 Posted June 12, 2013 I believe that is what everyone already has agreed on. It is just that some people don't care to place that big of a distinction between them. I always refer to it as mashing whenever I press buttons on defense since it is always a risk. I'm not referring to situations like after Bang's 623B( where Bang is at a clear disadvantage) or pretty much anytime Tsubaki tries to use that overhead of her's (since it is slow enough that you can just poke her out of it). It is more like situations after Noel 6B on block, where it isn't guaranteed that pressing a button would work. Even in situations where it can seem good and intelligent to do, the opponent can typically do something to catch you and they will probably think "What a mashing scrub". So the only distinction I put on mash is 'mash that worked' and 'mash that didn't'. Yeah; Because most of the time you're not REALLY reacting; You're thinking "Ragna is probably getting impatient here and I smell a 6B" so you mash jab or whatever, and then you hit and you're all "Yay! I predicted that!" . Or you get hit. But basically, you're just trying to out think your opponent.
E3vE3 WAZ HEA Posted June 12, 2013 Posted June 12, 2013 Wouldn't it be better to just play the game and the game gets played. there are multiple ways to play, agree to disagree people because thats all we can do. with that i'm getting on @_@ elsword has taken over and it's time to take myself back. if anyone wants to play lets go. I'll be on until 11 because i have to go get a tooth removed at 11:30 ;-; i hate doctors...
xHarukashii Posted June 12, 2013 Posted June 12, 2013 Well that was just one example of good mashing, but it seems to me that in your opinion characters like Ragna shouldn't use their 4frame dp. I mean, he has that tool for a reason you know, so he can get out of pressure. Sometimes you have to take that 'guess' because these characters have very strong mix-up, some of it un-reactable. I'd like to say I block pretty well, but the whole time I'm blocking I'm always looking for an opportunity to capitalize on a mistake. Sometimes if I'm blocking for too long and this guy is LITERALLY just pressing every button in the world to keep me blocking, why the hell wouldn't I mash some kind of reversal to get him off me? Yes it's a risk, but as good as it feels when you block that mix-up blocking is your most vulnerable position. Did you know that one of the things Souji said about american players at NEC is that he had fun playing us because we didn't mash anything and let him just do whatever he wanted pretty much. You know what that means? Jp players mash plenty and when you don't mash literally ever you allow your opponent to do whatever they want on your face. Without some kind of conditioning, without that fear of the mash a larger variety of mix-up is open to you. Reversals are in this game for a reason, much like the back-dash. It's so you can get away. If you're not using all of your options, sorry you're not playing the game right. I'm not saying blocking is bad, because blocking is the safest thing you can do of course granted you can block; however, mashing is an option and although you should use it sparingly, it's another option and you need to use it sometimes even if it's just to instill the fear that the option exists. This is how i feel when i fight Owner, or Mu-12 players. You cannot let these fgts press buttons.
mAc Chaos Posted June 12, 2013 Posted June 12, 2013 This is how i feel when i fight Owner, or Mu-12 players. You cannot let these fgts press buttons. That is why I love being able to counter stuff. But yeah, I've always seen players develop like so: Early level (flail around like a fish desperately out of water) ~> Mid level (try to block everything and punish only) ~> High level (poke out when appropriate)
Nemesis Posted June 12, 2013 Posted June 12, 2013 I feel like I am being both hated on and praised at the same time o_O thanks?
E3vE3 WAZ HEA Posted June 13, 2013 Posted June 13, 2013 GG's to goldy earlier sorry we didn't play much. You always seem to join the moment I'm about to do something.
LionHeartx Posted June 14, 2013 Posted June 14, 2013 (edited) gg's lich. i think i took like 4 rounds....out of 20+ games on the bright side i think i played a lot cleaner than last time. Edited June 14, 2013 by LionHeartx
Argent Zero Posted June 15, 2013 Posted June 15, 2013 ggs to killzuall and rachel alucardo. Shoutouts to bloody ragequitting shrews, won't post any names just because it will make no difference. Don't even have the dignity to finish the bloody match... would of have some respect if they took the bloody loss and crawled away from the damn room... I just pray I won't have to see any of them again. It's an eyesore...
Airk Posted June 16, 2013 Posted June 16, 2013 Good games to Tsuuna and Lord Pwnage; I am thoroughly battered now. Also. Bad at this game. My excuse for the day is that I'm recovering from being sick.
Argent Zero Posted June 16, 2013 Posted June 16, 2013 (edited) Is anyone on right now? Bloodthirsty for couple of matches... EDIT GGs to nemesis and manola. Terribly sorry, but I don't intend on losing to players that can only keepaway. It'll only work so little. Edited June 16, 2013 by Argent Zero
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