Rhapsody Posted July 21, 2013 Posted July 21, 2013 When people are saying j.2AD, we (or maybe just I) mean inputting A and D at the same time instead of A then D. I used to do it the way you were way back which still works, but IMO, the timing for the fuzzy guard becomes slightly harder.
samthegreat Posted July 21, 2013 Posted July 21, 2013 (edited) EDIT: Guess while I've made a post here I'll mention the Rankings have been updated or this week. N-O is 15th overall in Rankings for all characters/players reading Jourdal's recent tweets. 11th now and rising back to the top. Edited July 22, 2013 by samthegreat
gamester Posted July 21, 2013 Posted July 21, 2013 He catches up quick xD Hmm. I don't know then, I'm sure I am connecting everything. I'm just not confident in performing IOH during matches much as I've never been quite sure. I'll have to mess around in training mode once I've finished CS/2 off to Platinum (100%) and play around with it then give it a blast and see how things go I guess...
Tari Posted July 21, 2013 Posted July 21, 2013 Regarding the j.A2D, doing wind before j.A would be useful in corner when you have pumpkin+George lock down, you can delay the jump so you don't super jump, but still have the wind bring you back down to get an instant overhead. N-Otoko does it all the time Yeah. That's one of the situations where doing 2D first is actually beneficial. This usually pops up when you start from a knockdown with pumpkin/frog oki, though, not in the middle of a blockstring. Fuzzy guarding off of that is pretty impossible, too. When people are saying j.2AD, we (or maybe just I) mean inputting A and D at the same time instead of A then D. I used to do it the way you were way back which still works, but IMO, the timing for the fuzzy guard becomes slightly harder. Pretty much. The idea is to input the 2D while airborne, not before you've jumped. What order or timing you hit the buttons in once you've gone airborne is fairly unimportant, as long as you do it fast enough to get the IOH and still have enough wind to opt for the fuzzy guard.
tofurr Posted July 22, 2013 Posted July 22, 2013 Yeah, I've just been pressing both at the same time now and it works just fine.
gamester Posted July 22, 2013 Posted July 22, 2013 I see. I guess I just need to keep working on my confidence more. Thanks for clarifying that for me
gli Posted July 22, 2013 Author Posted July 22, 2013 Just learn both ways for reasons mentioned before (situational).
kirbster Posted July 24, 2013 Posted July 24, 2013 you'd have to be recovering from 5b and doing a 2b. Or he'd have to be instant blocking, with you doing a late delay 2b. A bit late but I finally got the time to test this and yes, Brice instant blocks my 5b and does 360a, which beats delay 2b. Not the option select I was thinking of, mind you, but I knew I got blown up for delaying 2b sometimes.
Chiizu Posted July 24, 2013 Posted July 24, 2013 That happens mostly because he knows you like the back of his onaholes I think but still good to know.
Tari Posted July 25, 2013 Posted July 25, 2013 Either that or you've conditioned him horribly to always IB 360A Rachel's 5B. That would be pretty hilarious, actually.
Errol Posted July 25, 2013 Posted July 25, 2013 he probably IBs the 5b and does 360a on reaction to the startup of 2b
Tari Posted July 25, 2013 Posted July 25, 2013 On reaction to the 10 frame startup of 2B? :P It's more likely that he does it based on whether Rachel jumps off the ground or not, or based on player patterns. If it's the former, I'm almost willing to bet that a delayed j.A or whatever overhead, or a 5B > delay > 6CD will probably counterhit him out of 360A. If it's the latter, though, that's not a reaction anymore, that's a read, lol.
kirbster Posted July 25, 2013 Posted July 25, 2013 Oh it's definitely a read, he doesn't do it all the time, but enough to make me not abuse it lol
Tari Posted July 25, 2013 Posted July 25, 2013 On an unrelated note, just saw this in the Bang forums: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyWuQV-n-aM&feature=player_detailpage&t=871 That's quite the flashy corner combo Bang can do on Rachel. xD Good thing it doesn't do ridiculous damage, I suppose.
Errol Posted July 25, 2013 Posted July 25, 2013 On reaction to the 10 frame startup of 2B? :P he would have to have reacted and pressed the button by the 8th frame but he could also be reacting to the jump startup, or rather, not pressing a button if he doesn't see jump startup within 4 frames of 5b
kirbster Posted July 25, 2013 Posted July 25, 2013 Except it's impossible, enough with the theory fighting nonsense lol.
kodimt Posted July 25, 2013 Posted July 25, 2013 Should just focus on all the other options Rachel has to make Tager hate life.
TD Posted July 25, 2013 Posted July 25, 2013 (edited) 5b 2d delay jc would be the best punish. alternatively, 5b 2d ja throw whiff 2b should work. the latter l haven't tested, but unless he's mashing 360a, the ja blockstun should occur during the time 360a would come out. meanwhile he'll be carrying on with the OS, expecting a jb into fuzzy guard. nope Edited July 25, 2013 by TD typo
Errol Posted July 25, 2013 Posted July 25, 2013 Except it's impossible, enough with the theory fighting nonsense lol. you guys are no fun.
Zoular Posted July 25, 2013 Posted July 25, 2013 Should just focus on all the other options Rachel has to make Tager hate life.6C?
TD Posted July 27, 2013 Posted July 27, 2013 l cant believe how nerfed to hell j2c level 3 is now, its so werid, how is it even possible :< its only use seems to be right before a bbl ender in order to setup poles, and as a starter its still very powerful, but anything in between and it seems more of a detriment to combos! rant is due to watching this http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm21449871 the sadness... oh someone get me a kleenex *sniffle*
sparkaura Posted July 27, 2013 Posted July 27, 2013 l cant believe how nerfed to hell j2c level 3 is now, its so werid, how is it even possible :< its only use seems to be right before a bbl ender in order to setup poles, and as a starter its still very powerful, but anything in between and it seems more of a detriment to combos! rant is due to watching this http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm21449871 the sadness... oh someone get me a kleenex *sniffle* Rozen Maiden 2013 intro, I love it. Sucks about lvl 3 j.2c, it was one of my favorite things about Rachel when I was learning her.
Zoular Posted July 28, 2013 Posted July 28, 2013 4th Dan, maybe he didn't level up high enough to use it?
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