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Xechs worked his magic for me in the Avatar thread. I have no idea how he made it look so cool.

The thought of Azrael wearing the "Deal with it" Glasses is just so fitting. In OD he should wear those glasses whenever he lands Valiant charger. The Union jack was kind of just thrown on. Since I'm destined to become the Based EU Azrael god.

I don't think so

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I wanted Azrael with kamina glasses :P

I'd expect nothing less from you. This thread needs moar chest kicks. And am i wrong thinking that Hornet Bunker would be a good AA?

EDIT: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=DOgmrz-eZG4#t=326s

I think someone amazing neutral game like Valkenhayn and Hazama are going to give Azunyan a hard time. I personally don't feel zoners will give him that much of a hard time personally.

Edited by BladeOfJustice7
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I'd expect nothing less from you. This thread needs moar chest kicks. And am i wrong thinking that Hornet Bunker would be a good AA?

Slow start-up, vertical hitbox, and super armor that's good enough to absorb a DP (or at least Ragna's): Gimmicky, but certainly viable.

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Ive never seen HB used at all aside from the combo tutorial. It'd be interesting to get to actually know the real properties of the move. If it turns into a weird AA. Imagine those numbers 0_0

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Looking at the OP's values, it is potentially one of his best starters. If a CH could allow for a follow-up without a LW, then it could give some scary damage. I suspect that a CH could enable a full-ish combo. Forgetting which moves exactly, I've seen plenty of instances in matches where (without a WP) someone landed a CH and it had so much hit stun that they could follow up.

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Looking at the OP's values, it is potentially one of his best starters. If a CH could allow for a follow-up without a LW, then it could give some scary damage. I suspect that a CH could enable a full-ish combo. Forgetting which moves exactly, I've seen plenty of instances in matches where (without a WP) someone landed a CH and it had so much hit stun that they could follow up.

Most of his D moves on counter-hit produce a highly similar (if not exactly the same) effect that they would if a weakpoint was applied. Unfortunately, the only moves where I haven't seen this happen are Valiant and Hornet, but that's only because they produce a unique effect whenever they trigger weakpoints.

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Hopefully we'll at least be able to get a standard combo off it, even if we can't do Hornet Chaser as a follow up. But this is all assuming that it's a viable anti-air in the first place.

The fact that it has guard point and can be held, is very promising. It could be used similarly to Litchi's guard point staff move that's so annoying. Does anyone know how safe HB is on block?

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TC > Valiant Charger > BHS

4K ish from 5A? Damn son.

Also. I might be slow here but i appears that Azraels astral is him with no Limiter, his tats are gone. So...His punches cause explosions on par with nuclear bombs. Fair.

Edited by YukiBlue
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Hopefully we'll at least be able to get a standard combo off it, even if we can't do Hornet Chaser as a follow up. But this is all assuming that it's a viable anti-air in the first place.

The fact that it has guard point and can be held, is very promising. It could be used similarly to Litchi's guard point staff move that's so annoying. Does anyone know how safe HB is on block?

There are some combos that seem to have Hornet as "filler" moves, without a lower weakpoint, which seems to be followed up by 5A>Aerial, or 5B>2C>6D, or 5A>Tiger>Cobra>xxx, or just straight into an Aerial combo. This could be due to where the opponent is on the stage or how high/low they are in the air after being hit by it, but combos do seem to exist with follow-ups to Hornet without a weakpoint applied. Or this is a case of all the information wasn't provided or there was an error, so I don't know.

I imagine at least on counter hit it would be possible to follow-up with at least something after Hornet. Maybe there's enough hitstun after a counter hit Valiant with no weakpoint to go into a basic BnB but I don't know. This is questionable however because if you hit with those moves with no weakpoint, it applies one. But if you can continue a combo from it, it means you would be able to extend that very same combo with THAT weakpoint which makes me think it isn't actually possible.

Guess we'll find out eventually.

EDIT: I went ahead and tried to ask about it. Apparently it is impossible to follow-up after Valiant with no weakpoint. Hornet might be possible if you counter hit them higher up I guess. But it seems like there is no conclusive evidence since no one has really tried.

"ヴァリアントは不可だったはず。ホーネットは高めchなら出来たはず。確証はないから試してくるね。"

Edited by zeth07
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Interesting, Yeah I've seen Valiant hit w/o a WP and it has the same effect the last hit of TCL.. Azreal doesnt recover from the valiant kick quick enough to do anything though.

Hornet I've only seen once in a match where the dude just did throw xx hornet chaser after applying a low WP. There was some other Az that kept trying to do it randomly after he hit a low WP, seemed pretty slow even though he absorbed some hits with the armor but the opponent always had time to block it then punish..

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Is there a list of what 'buff' each move is given, when weakpoints are added anywhere?

Also do any moves become unblockable with weakpoints on oppenent?

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Is there a list of what 'buff' each move is given, when weakpoints are added anywhere?

Also do any moves become unblockable with weakpoints on oppenent?

Please read the first post.

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Izayoi blocked the instant jump A while standing.

A lot of characters can do that, but the trick is being able to set it up easily and actually get damage off of it. I'm not sure if Azrael has either of those things, really. I mean, does he really need any more shit than he already has anyway?

Edited by Cheefoo
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Izayoi blocked the instant jump A while standing.

A lot of characters can do that, but the trick is being able to set it up easily and actually get damage off of it. I'm not sure if Azrael has either of those things, really. I mean, does he really need any more shit than he already has anyway?

Sure, why not?

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