FD Tapping

[TechnicalStasis]

So I do my faultless defense by hitting the buttons only at the exact moments when I get hit(it's basically slashbacking but with FD), instead of holding it. I admit it's a little harder so I'm asking is it worth it? I mean, it does save me a little more tension but I'm not sure if its a good idea to do. Does anyone else do this? Cause I try to conserve as much tension as possible for combos later on.

[DubiousCurvLoop]

It is worth it. I do it; the Japanese pros do it; you should TOO!!!

[Digital Watches]

Well, it's better than, say, just HOLDING FD, but what you should really do is figure out when FDing a certain attack will help you by pushing the opponent away or avoiding building guard gage or taking chip damage or whatever, and only use it then. It would be more accurate to describe what Japanese players do as this.

[Hellmonkey]

Actually, you don't lose any meter during blockstun when you FD something, so holding FD is fine as long as there aren't gaps in between their hits (not likely since FDing adds to your recovery andchances are you should be escaping then anyways!)

[Kyle]

This isn't as scrubby as it may appear: - watching your opponent attacks will dramatically affect your defense and overall ability to guard mix-up. -When your opponents does a particularly laggy move, it's Slashback~Punish time. Like Anji pressuring his stomps. Your do IB & FD anyways, with different button inputs, you might as well be slash-backing.

[Hintalove]

To be fair, ib timing and slash back timing are two different cats entirely. FB bait is like pot/test 2d, aba moves, projectiles, ect. On a slightly related note, does IB keep your guard gauge down? Or is that just fd?

[4r5]

just fd

[Hellmonkey]

This isn't as scrubby as it may appear:

- watching your opponent attacks will dramatically affect your defense and overall ability to guard mix-up.

-When your opponents does a particularly laggy move, it's Slashback~Punish time. Like Anji pressuring his stomps.

Your do IB & FD anyways, with different button inputs, you might as well be slash-backing.

I'm not sure if you're kidding or not, so I'll respectfully disagree. Most moves that are that laggy (anji stomp) can usually be beat in a much better and safer way; the 2f window for slashback should only be used in situations you otherwise normally wouldn't be able to punish. IB timing is much easier and obviously not punishable.

[Josh Ballard]

I've posted this elsewhere but it fits better here: Kyle consistently slashbacks the 2nd hit of Danzai and command grabs me. Some other things he likes to use it for are ABA rekkas (2nd hit, since that can't be delayed) and Jam 6H. He's been trying to get all of us to man up and start learning this, and I've begun working on it. Actually, what he said in that post is a variation on an old SF saying: "If you blocked, you could've DPed."

[Hellmonkey]

I'm inclined to agree that it's worth learning but most American players can't block well in the first place. Slashbacking is flashy and specific, it's not something worth putting any significant amount of effort into if the players defense isn't totally solid otherwise.

[zer0kage]

I've posted this elsewhere but it fits better here:

Kyle consistently slashbacks the 2nd hit of Danzai and command grabs me. Some other things he likes to use it for are ABA rekkas (2nd hit, since that can't be delayed) and Jam 6H.

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Can't you cancel to FB Danzai when you get slashbacked? I didn't get much when I SBed a local ABA's FB Danzai, might as well whiff it for better rewards.

[doragonkoroshi]

So I do my faultless defense by hitting the buttons only at the exact moments when I get hit(it's basically slashbacking but with FD), instead of holding it. I admit it's a little harder so I'm asking is it worth it? I mean, it does save me a little more tension but I'm not sure if its a good idea to do.

Does anyone else do this? Cause I try to conserve as much tension as possible for combos later on.

This may be obvious, but I don't think that anybody's mentioned that holding FD lazily and not paying attention is like begging your opponent to break off pressure and throw you.

[Hellmonkey]

Due to increased pushback and longer blockstun, it's usually easier to see tickthrow attempts when FDing. I have no idea what you mean by blocking lazily, but obviously anyone not looking to escape pressure is asking to get thrown.

[Josh Ballard]

Can't you cancel to FB Danzai when you get slashbacked? I didn't get much when I SBed a local ABA's FB Danzai, might as well whiff it for better rewards.

He blocks the 1st hit and slashbacks the 2nd. If you don't have the meter to RC (a situation where he shouldn't and doesn't slashback), opponents can dash in and land whatever they want for free. Only a couple characters can land really damaging stuff in between the 2 hits (e.g. Potemkin Buster, Big Bang Upper), so for most it's well worth learning.

Her 2H, on the other hand, is NOT a good move to slashback since she can Danzai or at least jump cancel.

Hellmonkey: What he meant was just sitting there and holding FD. American players are usually throw bait when they do this.

[reaVer]

Hellmonkey: What he meant was just sitting there and holding FD. American players are usually throw bait when they do this.

That's not so much an issue of FDing rather than not paying attention to what your opponent is actually doing.

[doragonkoroshi]

That's not so much an issue of FDing rather than not paying attention to what your opponent is actually doing.

I think it applies to the original topic at any rate. Tapping FD hopefully means you're paying more attention and less likely to get thrown.

[Hellmonkey]

I don't understand how adding FD tapping as another thing to focus on would help you pay more attention to what your opponent is doing.

[qwerty]

I don't understand how adding FD tapping as another thing to focus on would help you pay more attention to what your opponent is doing.

i think the idea is that if you selectively fd certain moves (ie: ones with lots of pushback), you become more aware of what your opponent does; as opposed to just standing in the corner and holding fd until they get pushed away, disregarding whether or not the move is even worth fd'ing in the first place.

though quite frankly, if you're not paying attention to everything your opponent does while they're pressuring you, you probably shouldn't be worrying about things like fd tapping.

[Destin]

Slashback is great in specific situations, but I think most of us don't have the matchup experience to put it into use in most of our matches. For the characters you do play often, I would say look at videos and begin to find where to sneak them in. Second hit of danzai is great, I'm not so sure about the rekkas (can't you just skip the second and punish BIG, or is it reaction slashback-able?) The last hit of common air dash strings is a good spot as well.

[excelence]

rekkas isn't susshi

[bucklemyshoe]

does anyone know the exact amount of frames a wiffed SB is in effect for?

[9TNine]

does anyone know the exact amount of frames a wiffed SB is in effect for?

I believe it's 30 frames of not being able to block (but you can try and Slashback again for less of a reward if successful).

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[Destin]

rekkas isn't susshi

I meant ABBA's bitch slaps, whatever they are called.

[Moroha]

I meant ABBA's bitch slaps

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=2vWONJigv5A

[Kyle]

Baiken players giving advice about how to guard... <3/Respect you Hellmonkey, but your perspective on this topic is innately...skewed. I believe Qwerty understood it best. It takes a conscious effort to WATCH and react to what your opponent is doing during pressure strings. By purposely IB + FB on certain moves it raises your overall awareness and should have you guarding successfully more often. Yes, SB is flashy and over-rated. However, there are many situations where it can really turn the match around. B/C you learned the timing. EX: Anji Stomps, Venom Reverse DP, Air dash strings. etc. Yes, it is worth it with Anj's stomps. Often your guardbar is high and there is increased push-back, so even an IB will put you out of throw range. This puts the situation to "where you normally can't punish". Therefore his stomps must be SB to reduce all push-back and frame advantage.