Mucky Posted October 26, 2014 Posted October 26, 2014 Might as well just change the name or close the thread. Seconded. [CP] News and Gameplay Discussion Thread -> [CP] What Do We Do with This Thread Discussion Thread But no seriously, I think the biggest issue with this kind of thread is that it explicitly tries to re-direct certain topics to other forums (e.g. Art/Story goes to Zepp Museum), but doesn't do with that with other topics even though they also have their own forums (like character-specific discussions). If you want this thread to have any coherent identity, you'd have to completely commit in one direction or the other. Right now, it's sitting in between the two.
BlackYakuzu94 Posted October 26, 2014 Posted October 26, 2014 I don't see why this thread should be moderated anyway. It's a space of free talk about anything related to BB. As long as people don't insult each other, what's the problem? I think that in itself of the problem, we've had numerous arguments pertaining to the perceived balance characters, who's "broken" and who's "trash tier" and who's options are decent at best. Topics like these are controversial and tend to rile people up and I think that's what the mods are trying to avoid, and to be fair that does happen more often than not. Hmm, in terms of the topic identity...well isn't this thread just used to talk about any new feature that gets added when the game is still in it's PR state? I don't think it serves much of a purpose after the game drops because anything else we know can be directed to a specific forum(Character changes-->Character Subforums, Story-->zepp museum, and we can make a topic pertaining to balance if need be). So I'd say Threads like these should only be around when the General information is still very scarce and therefore more to talk about(And speculate) and when the game drops, it's locked and any thing else that wants to be discussed can just open a new topic. Like come one, there's no reason we can't have a balance topic or a tier speculation topic and the mods just simply do their thing so it doesn't get too stupid.
SoWL Posted October 26, 2014 Posted October 26, 2014 To be honest, I don't read most character-specific threads, so even when people are discussing their own characters, I learn something new. That is, as long as I don't end up knowing more about their main than about my own.
BlackYakuzu94 Posted October 26, 2014 Posted October 26, 2014 I mean that's just it; you wanna know more about a specific character, go to that character's subforum and if you don't really care, just avoid it.
chzchan Posted October 26, 2014 Posted October 26, 2014 One of the problems with that is the fact that very little discussion ends up happening in subforums compared to this thread even though a lot of the things that are being discussed here should be discussed in the subforums. I think that is what pushes people to post here and continue to come back to the thread. It at least has a pulse and stays alive, so it attracts the attention of the entire community. At least so far we are allowed to have a discussion about what we are allowed to discuss or what we should be discussing. I just find it really funny that things turned out this way.
Galm_II Posted October 26, 2014 Posted October 26, 2014 Sooo, before crap hits the fan.. I don't think this is a game changing update like with Brokonoe. Can we at least agree with that? And if I read Tsubaki again, I'll flip tables. No offence to Tsubaki users.
MoneyD90 Posted October 26, 2014 Posted October 26, 2014 Seems like a big update IMO. It's not like 1.1 where characters got very small changes. I Expect to see changes in the tier rankings with what's going on with the tools and resources of the entire cast. Ie: from a Makoto main's perspective Litchi,koko,Rachel, hazama vs. Makoto doesn't seem as bad any more. I'm sure it's similar for others too. Note: I'm not saying she or anyone else will magically have easy wins vs. the top. It's just that the matchup on paper seems a lot more manageable this time around.
TD Posted October 26, 2014 Posted October 26, 2014 General threads will always attract attention, that's just the way it is. But there should be more warning signs. No one wants to step in a thread full of shit when there can be rules placed conviently on the front page. At this point there is basically a unanimous decision that the thread cannot continue to function like this. Something needs to happen, or confusion will continue. Whatever. Sooo, before crap hits the fan.. I don't think this is a game changing update like with Brokonoe. Can we at least agree with that? And if I read Tsubaki again, I'll flip tables. No offence to Tsubaki users. This is a game changing update, sir. Someone new will take the throne or maybe kokonoe will still have it. Regardless, everyone's gameplan, while they remained largely the same, have had core mechanics changed to make the character stronger in some areas and weaker in others.
Galm_II Posted October 26, 2014 Posted October 26, 2014 ... great, now I feel stupid. But like, overall, it's not like we'll have to learn new playstyles because now, idunno, Izayoi's Sonic Saber deals 10x more damage. Besides not all of the characters have been touched.
Mumm-Ra Posted October 26, 2014 Posted October 26, 2014 Daily reminder that arakune is crap right now just like every time a new version is released.
TD Posted October 26, 2014 Posted October 26, 2014 ... great, now I feel stupid. But like, overall, it's not like we'll have to learn new playstyles because now, idunno, Izayoi's Sonic Saber deals 10x more damage. Besides not all of the characters have been touched. well maybe not tier wise, that we will find out later on once the characters get fleshed out. IIRC every char in the game has something changed about them in this update. just the fact that sytem changes happen means that all the characters will have to play some aspect of them differently
Angry Guy of DE Posted October 27, 2014 Posted October 27, 2014 Well this is a significant change for pretty much every character, so this is a melting pot of discussion, so salt being added is a given. People are just wondering things with their character; Is my character better, is my character more fun, and does this make sense with my character? Most information we get is just from videos and the less used characters generally get talked about more because of the three things stated above. Combos will change in some degree but this will always be a game where a Ragna can go 5B > 5C > Hell's Fang > 214D Follow-up. It is still fresh in the arcades so people will talk about character changes, once a console release is revealed and confirmed as a DLC patch or a straight new game people will discuss things like "Am I really going to want to pay for that?" The Wheel of Fate is Turning...General Discussion...Action!
Airk Posted October 27, 2014 Posted October 27, 2014 The problem with saying "Take it to character discussion" is that a lot of this stuff is comparative and benefits from the viewpoints of people who play different characters, which you don't get if you wander off to Burt Reynolds Character General or whatever. I've learned a lot of stuff from this thread.
shtkn Posted October 27, 2014 Posted October 27, 2014 i basically agree with mac, it's too difficult to pin down EXACTLY what's to be discussed. and we'll ahve to use our best judgement. I'm reminded of the phrase I know it when I see it. I don't see why this thread should be moderated anyway. It's a space of free talk about anything related to BB. As long as people don't insult each other, what's the problem? Personally, when I come here, I just check the current topic. If it's something I don't care, then fine, i'll skip it and come back later to see if something else popped up. This is how I see general threads at least. But it's true Tsubaki gets too much attention here :P there are many ways this topic can become toxic without resorting to insults. netplay general had issues, bb general had issues in teh past (yes we used to have one). if you don't remember how bad those threads got, then you lack perspective. In effect this thread is a bb general, but we have to resteer the conversation every once in a while. if you have a better solution, please let me know. hint: no moderation is not a solution
Angel-tastic Posted October 27, 2014 Posted October 27, 2014 Honestly, I like that people talk about so many different topics in this thread. It's kind of like a one-stop place to learn about the most important elements of various characters when you don't need all the in-depth details from the character subforums. The thing that I don't like about this thread is when I click into it every other day and think that I accidentally mis-clicked on the Tsubaki forums. A general overview of a character is fine, but a 3-4 page long discussion of super specific details that only the Tsubaki mains would care about is too much. Actually, I think that should sort of be the cut-off for the purpose of moderation. If a discussion stops being "general" and starts being too specific, it should probably be redirected to the character's own forum to continue the discussion.
Errol Posted October 27, 2014 Posted October 27, 2014 light moderation is fine. Not sure what else there is to be done. Social stuff I pretty much moved entirely over to twitter, since the crackdowns on the netplay thread. I am mostly here for the specific purpose of talking about the game when I am now, and that seems to work fine, mostly. Some forums have it better than others.
Zouf Posted October 27, 2014 Posted October 27, 2014 i basically agree with mac, it's too difficult to pin down EXACTLY what's to be discussed. and we'll ahve to use our best judgement. I'm reminded of the phrase I know it when I see it. there are many ways this topic can become toxic without resorting to insults. netplay general had issues, bb general had issues in teh past (yes we used to have one). if you don't remember how bad those threads got, then you lack perspective. In effect this thread is a bb general, but we have to resteer the conversation every once in a while. if you have a better solution, please let me know. hint: no moderation is not a solution I probably shouldn't have said "no moderation", but a light one. Locking this topic isn't light. I believe this topic should always exist for the sake of gathering many topics at the same place. Browsing between too many different threads can be really annoying, and a waste of time and bandwidth
Litherain-XIII Posted October 27, 2014 Posted October 27, 2014 A few suggestions... 1. All discussions should be made concerning the "known" information about BB and its content. this will encourage speculation so its inevitable however any off topic situations of blazblue (unless its to use a character or similar gaming mechanics from another fighting game for an example to justify or explain an opinion / fact relating to blazblue gameplay) should be prohibited or avoid if possible. Any usage of non related information to BB that's used to entice comedy or support an explanation to gameplay is limited and should not be used more than a minimum of up to 2 times per page of the thread (1 time a page is ok to help steer the discussion on track as it is encouraged that users of the thread should know and read before they post unless they too lazy to do so to avoid infractions). all mods will punish accordingly to their use of judgment in which this situation occurs twice a page. 2. Speculation should be "okay" as long as it doesn't spark off topic comedy, non BB related comments, insults of any kind (including character insults which is posted as an indirect insult to an opposing user on Dustloop which may spark an off topic debate or argument that's not related to gameplay for "constructive learning" purposes) Speculation should be fine as it may be used to create gameplay / character discussions if agreed amongst the mods. 3. Any character discussion that is used to post obsessive / consistent "character inefficiencies" (bitching about characters weaknesses on a consistent basis for more than 1 page) is prohibited and mods will punish accordingly to the severity of the offense to their judgment. It is okay to post about weaknesses of characters for the use of constructive discussions to engage understanding of the character for other users. However it is limited to that only and mods will judge posts made in this manner. 4. If a discussion is made regarding gameplay and users of the thread post responses made to indirectly or to "under the table insult" another user which may create an un-beneficial debate or argument take it to personal messages. If posted in the thread mods will punish accordingly. this is all i can think off for now. again this is just suggestions for rules to help mod the thread as a general gameplay / bb news / gameplay thread and if these are already in place, then oh well i tried lol.
chzchan Posted October 27, 2014 Posted October 27, 2014 The problem is that the likelihood of bitching and spiraling out of control has higher chances of happening with bringing up certain characters' "inefficiencies" when opposed to others. It is almost like even mentioning certain characters' names is pretty much prohibited at this point. You do have the right idea, though. Things will be more civil this way.
FinalDoomGuy Posted October 27, 2014 Posted October 27, 2014 To be frank, I think the locks and subsequent metadiscussion have done far more to derail these threads than anyone talking about Relius or Tsubaki.
mAc Chaos Posted October 27, 2014 Posted October 27, 2014 Yeah, let's get back on topic about the game.
Dreize Posted October 28, 2014 Posted October 28, 2014 Have any early Japanese tier lists been posted yet? Color me curious.
Litherain-XIII Posted October 28, 2014 Posted October 28, 2014 This was posted a while ago but im not sure how relevant this is. this is about the matchups in 1.1 but involved celica before the release of CP2 so i suppose it can be view as some jp players initial opinions
CosmicShadow99 Posted October 28, 2014 Posted October 28, 2014 uh...what is tager in the background supposed to mean? Is he the all seeing god of the tiers now or just a sad, long last memory?
TekkamanArk Posted October 28, 2014 Posted October 28, 2014 uh...what is tager in the background supposed to mean? Is he the all seeing god of the tiers now or just a sad, long last memory? This is a matchup chart for Tager, who he is good and bad against.
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