excelence

Yes, and for 5b to hit on the first active frame, you must get really close to your opponent, so realistically most of the time u'll have more than 7f to snag in 2a

It doesn't matter on which frame 5b hits. U can cancel 5b to 2c right away when hit. And on ch there is 21f hitstun +3f hitstop on opponent so 5b ch will always connect to 2c as long as u cancel it during 13f of 5b hit stop.

Tenshi drill ... that's like +16 on block ... do want Been playing her for a while, Plat feels like solid character for me with flexible option on neutral ... nerf the damage but increase her heat gain

What Omny said... 2k~4,5k damage from random hit anywhere is much better, than 3800~4800 damage from specific situation + decreased heat gain makes things even worse. and i'm talking about Orb oki

Those 115 probably from Ragna Lurker His damage output and heat gain got smashed by Nerf truck... This match is just dumb ... and Makoto probably only few of the character That Ragna can't DS rape comfortably and if u bait ID a lot ... u wouldn't need to worry that stuff on oki anymore

http://www.dustloop.com/forums/showthread.php?11771-CS2-Noel-vs.-Makoto. Use similar tactic like her, playing too defensive will get u killed as her melee pressure is really good... i don't have too much problem against Noel who occasionally throw random drive as u can ib and mash pokes out. and just like Makoto, her pokes also very good at close range.... and right now i'm totally lost dealing with her normal pokes... since it didn't too much different than us ... it's all about who had the better footsies.

The pogo stick is more of unsafe gimmick that plat has if u can block it with no problem, u should be able to just jab her out of it with 5a

Don't take my words as the way to go but just some knowledge to think about... since i really don't have any experience with this match up but i do play both Makoto & Plat extensively When playing plat and me throwing bubble if they going to break the bubble i'll be around to 5c ch their poke, if they decide to keep away i'll just rolling my item and throw random crap at them it'll get through eventually or else throw another bubble on Makoto case i think it's best to just block and react to what follow up she throw, eversince bubble have very little blockstun on the case if you're running in no matter which character you go against and they do neutral jump and space u up with air attack that had more limbs than you ... depending the distance, just j.b ch the hell out of them, the momentum of your run will make the extra limbs that u didn't have. but honestly i've never meet this kind of case ... on neutral, if they jump 1st against makoto, especially forward / neutral ... they'll die from j.b ch.

When doing blockstring... keep it short, against every character Makoto would probably work her 2a the most, what i commonly use 2a>delay and reset into anything 2a>2b/6b/2c hit confirm 2a>5c frame trap/reset into anything mashing 2a rarely get u anywhere... and at people who blocks completely. stop after 2a also can be a painful mind games like 2a>stop>grab, often times u'll get grab counter and about Plat v Makoto i' don't play the match up but i know for sure, Plat heat gain is suck, and her Zoning is nowhere as good as Mu/Lambda be patient on this match, u'll get in eventually... don't force your way in and stay grounded, on Bombs (probably her worst tools on this matchup) there is small gap between the explosion and plat where u can dash in and poke her out

(9) is just awesome

5c>delay>5c this will catch 2a masher for ch, and when they start to blocking u can 5c>whatever ... anyway u should ask this on general discussion instead of making new thread

8k meterless mid screen ... time to drop my astral setup habit :L

2) +3 on swallow moon cancel and gattling with j.b & J.c/j2c, double jump barrier still possible if u ommit any cancel ... yes... it's safe

That's need yomi btw

Nerf Piano will never beat my love of playing the character i like ... But kind of ready to get some tweak on her combo damage

Agree on this

Well... my friend asking me is this game bore me when i'm struggling to get missile and bombs

Well ... Heartcar indeed need to be done on specific distance to beat DS probably around half of his 5b/5c range ... his dashing 5b>ds could also be beaten by Heartcar iirc @Shadowfiend : his J.B actualy very good for cross up, cross up jump>iad back>j.b ... his knee will hit you, same stuff like Jin, but you will see this rarely on Plat, since her 2c is a really good stuff to deal with this. And his Hells Fang 1st hit is -4 on block so it's safe unless get IB'ed, and i think HF into grab is kind of long shoot on his side, since on normal situation u can just reverse pressure with 5a ... a more Risky player / most Ragna that have heat will try to beat you with ID if they ever get caught in this situation, this can reset the pressure on his favor or net them 4k at least if u get hit.

Bat ... playing a decent Tao last week, if i ever get caught on her pressure without Bat/heat ... feels like i'm dead already. and i do random Mami to caught her out of drive

So true ... i just don't care anymore, i can win just because i can do shit tons of damage out of any random poke ...

... This blow my mind i really didn't know she can jc 6c on block orz ... and yes got too spoiled with her 5b and 2a

No i meant, doing 6c will usually force u to do something or you'll be at -15, i really don't see any reason why anyone with DP/360 wouldn't want to break free?

6cc as frame trap? if my math is correct, there is 3f gap between 6c and 6cc ... i'm not sure we can use that gap for frame trap, 3f is kind of large ... is it? but the combos is ok, i'm not really fond using heavy moves outside counter punish. it'll be FC for me :D and btw probably should test on litchi... i do lots of screw up at 2cc on her

Long time no see zae :D ...Yeah, i thought that too... but haven't tried that, currently multiple dp whiff combos hurt my thumbs badly btw what's the damage?

Well ... i do play Noel too... her 2d feels brain dead against several of character