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Yeah ZONG, what's your opinion? Double spaced 1 page please. Include atleast 2 Brawl/Smash references.

BigE, make them red on black or black on red shirts.

Running tournaments I don't even go to. I'm fking gdlk.

Nah, some of the original changes I posted were pretty far out there: 4DD on wiff? That would be gdlk but comon...

Was there any video footage and/or better confirmation of the changes for Lambda? Was all the stuff stunedge told me a lie :< I'd be pretty sad if people were just spreading rumors... Edit: Seems all the other changes were rumors, so the only notable changes are: -Slower startup of second sword in 5DD. -236B is either slower or doesn't auto-correct the distance... my guess is the latter. Weird changes IMO. Thank god loctests don't mean anything. I don't think a lot of these changes meant anything other than they're fooling around with top-tier.

That's an extremely random 'change' if you translated it right.

The 5D/4D JCs were bullshit when 236D/236DC was considered actual mixup. After a 5DD you could do whatever you wated: 4DD, parser backward, parser forward, Kure, fient Kure, 236D or 236DC... which all lead to good mixup, safe options to gtfo, or damage with meter. Now that 236D/236DC is almost worthless, if they put the jump cancels back in they wouldn't be bearly as broken because there's no low mixup, not to mention you can't parser back or forward (and through them) anymore. The damage wouldn't even be that good anyway off of the mixup. BUT the more they nerf the characters above her, the more she needs changes less and less. For balance it's the matter of bringing her up or moving others down. Balancing both ways is always nice, but just one way wouldn't hurt.

Kyle (stunedge) wouldn't just throw out random made up changes... he's representing the Chinese at SBO... and he's not one to just straight out troll. If he is wrong, then he either heard it from someone who he trusts (but described it to him wrong, or was trolling HIM, which I doubt) or when he was watching/playing he saw/did something that actually didn't happen, which again is something I don't believe because he has a very good Lambda. When I asked him what the Lambda changes were he said: -4DD was JC'able even on wiff, and that the move was absolutely broken right now. -5D is JC'able but not 5DD. -6B CH > 236C works (he just said it when I asked "are there any other changes I should know about?"). -6A has a faster start-up, but seems to still have the same invul, active, and recovery frames. Even I'll say that 4D/4DD JC'able on wiff sounds like a straight out lie... but I can believe they made it JC'able on block along with all the other changes listed. Are there any moves in any fighting game that you can JC on wiff? Update: apprently the 4D being a 'hoax' is a direct google translate of the updated post on that blog. I don't like blog posts, but it's probably right.

No clue, he just said gravity combos were easier. Maybe more hit stun? I didn't log the MSN chat and he wanted to sleep so I just said thanks. He'll be posting a bunch of stuff soon he said... so maybe he'll just elaborate more there.

On topic being? Posting changes? Discussion? Good luck with that.

You're an idiot Skye. Saying stunedge is lying is like saying the system mechanics thread is trolling.

Ok so, I just talked with stunedge (an extremely reliable source) and here's what he told me... brace yourselves... and get an extra pair of pants ready... -First hit of 5D is JC'able, but 5DD is not. -6A has faster start-up (and keeps all frame data + invul). -4D/4DD is JC'able... even if you wiff it. -Gravity combos are easier. (But he didn't say why, but my guess is they don't float as high?). -6B CH > 236C works. (Damage much?) -Calamity Sword has more start-up... but that super sucked anyway so w/e. In addition he says that when anyone says that 'X' normal/special has more frames of start-up it's most likely due to the new I/O they're using, so the game seems to run slower. Thoughts? My thoughts: HELL TO THE FUCKING YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If 4D/4DD stays JC'able she might become broken again...

Yeah, 'blade' wasn't very specific. Thanks for clearing that up Kaialynn. I'm guessing a slower 5DD will change her combos?

Lambda changes? [Source] - Λ ・5DDの発生鈍化 ・ブレイドの発生鈍化明日やってきます -Slower second sword of 5DD? Or 5DD just slower in general? -Something is slowed... not sure what. Someone who actually knows some moonspeak should do us a favor and translate these...

Valkyria Chronicles

Kyohei.

Hi Bang thread. Stay free Dacid.

Good luck LK.

Just lurking... but holy crap... this is why I love GG.

If you're going to say things that show you have no idea how to play this game (or fighting games in general), then you should stop posting any questions until you've come back after playing good players for a while. You should go to a few tournaments, get bodied by good players, and then come back after you know what is going on. How are you going to say Hazama isn't good when you've never played a good one? Youtube and Nico will only take you so far... you actually need to sit down and play the game for a bit. If you're the best player on your block, good for you, try other blocks. Instead of quoting what you've said I'll just list my thoughts: -You ask for options and we give them to you, but you just theory fight in the end instead of accepting that it's a legit option. This just shows your own incompetence to accept good options. -If you can't tell why Hazama's better than everyone else below him on the tier list from what we're telling you, then you need to take a step back and play some fighting games for a while, not just BB. You need a better understanding of what makes a good character good. -If you don't want to count his mixup options/specials as pokes then I can understand where you're coming from, but if all you're going to say is 'are you kidding me', then you're just avoiding my point. 5A is a godly AA and wiffs on crouching which is good for throw/poke mixup. 2A is fast, good for tick throws and really doesn't change his combos depending on how well you can hit confirm with it. His 5B has very good frame data, hitbox, and good proration. The list goes on. When I think of poke I think of all normals (because of stagger pressure and mixup) while you're just thinking of a normal you can space and use to hit confirm (which is a legit way to think). If that's the case, then his specials are all good along with his D normals as they are safe, control a lot of space, and are easy to hit confirm off of...who cares about his normals with that being said? What else could you ask for? -It's hard to hold a discussion with someone when they're ignoring what some of the best BB players in the US (not myself) are telling you. They're trying to help you and you're just being an idiot. How the hell can I not get mad? -Hazama has the best space control in the game. The fact that you're saying he's 'not very strong' at ANY range makes no sense. -He has the best movement in the game and you act like approaching someone while turtling against him is impossible. Once again, you've been watching vidoes and theory fighting instead of playing the game. -Everything about Hazama was discussed before our posts. Just because the questions and opinions that people were asking before weren't word for word with yours doesn't mean the answers/retorts don't cover what you're trying to get at. What you've been doing wrong is: 1). Posting wrong information. 2). Not listening to players much wiser than yourself. 3). Trying to theory fight but failing miserably. You're one of the many people that have joined these forums within the past year (due to BB being released no doubt), who come in spouting bad/wrong information on a forum that was originally developed for the exchange of good information among players that wanted to get better at GG (and later BB). It's pretty insulting when you're doing the polar opposite.

Hazama vs. Lambda isn't 6-4, it's closer to 7-3 (if not 6.5-3.5). She can't press D. He has the easiest time getting in out of anyone else in the cast and once he's in he can walk all over you. Lambda can't backdash (with air-dashing backward being a close second). Her mixup is useless against him. No matter what areas you control on the screen he controls it far better than you do. You can't shut him down unless he's in the corner and you're at Kure (TK Cresent) distance... and even then he's dangerous and can get out if you give him even a little breathing room. He has braindead answers to everything she can possible do, from pushing buttons to movement. This is way off topic. This tier list looks good.

You're speaking like Hazama without meter is a rare thing... but that's besides the point. He has no reversals without meter? Try quick-get-up command throw and 214DB. Hate to break it to you, but yes, 214DB is a viable option: invul from frame 7, the pushback from it on block, and it's amazing hitbox you have to dodge to make it wiff show all the reasons why you still need to respect it as a reversal. If you're on the ground it's not as scary (you still need to respect it... don't mistime your meaty), but if you're jumping at him you better damn well block. A really fucking solid character with respect to the rest of the cast, also known as S/A+ tier. Everything except 2B and 3C. But even those aren't horrible. Ground-to-ground: this has already been explained by Zidane (and others) in a previous post(s), that actually aren't too far back. You should utilize your pile of horse shit you call a brain and look a few pages back. But you want to be spoon fed don't you? Air-to-air: jB is stupid good. His D normals are also good. [This was also stated in previous posts]. He has so many things to need to respect all at once that make him so hard to shut down, so in order to deal with that you have give yourself a little space, which gives HIM SPACE, which then lets him do whatever the fuck he wants again. He can zone all he wants, are you kidding me... you're underestimating his ability to get in random hits. He controls so much of the screen at once it's ridiculous. The things you have said in this thread are insulting to anyone with a brain. Do you even play this game? The things you've said are so fucking stupid that you almost come off as a troll. If you're not trying to troll you need to stop posting to save yourself from more humiliation. Seriously... just stop posting. It's idiots like you that are putting this forum into a downward spiral.

not bad = good? I understand what you're getting at but... there was no reason post. Also, I forgot about Carl, but we all know how he can also shut down Lambda's neutral game. I hope I don't have to explain.