King of Fighters XIII

[Vulcan422]

There aren't really any Noel-like characters in Ultimate. If you want somebody who is fast with good mixup, use Wesker. He's, like, 100x more broken than CS2 Noel in terms of damage and mixup potential, and 1000x easier.

[Skye]

I think I know what you mean, but could you give a specific example?

j.hp > hp > 6lp-lp > etc

j.hp > hp from what I've experienced cannot be buffered, you have to press it on command.

hp > 6lp must be buffered, again, from what I've experienced cannot be confirmed.

6lp-lp just won't connect at random.

I don't mind one or the other, but both whenever the game wants?

It drops/ignores inputs on the fly and don't get me started on how it detects commands.

Day one ramblings, but everyone in my scene have played for longer and agree with me.

*shrug*

[Setsuna]

There aren't really any Noel-like characters in Ultimate. If you want somebody who is fast with good mixup, use Wesker. He's, like, 100x more broken than CS2 Noel in terms of damage and mixup potential, and 1000x easier.

Re-read my post :P I referenced my BB main and UMvC3 team to help with suggestions for KOFXIII characters.

[Qpunch]

Ah! A fellow Iori player! Would you Happen to know any follow-ups to his command grab by any chance?

edit: I'm speaking to Skye.

[Skye]

Ah! A fellow Iori player! Would you Happen to know any follow-ups to his command grab by any chance?

edit: I'm speaking to Skye.

Hahahaha, my passion for Iori dropped the second I was introduced to the buffering system.

My team is Shen, Kensou and Clark.

Again, day one. Don't come to me for anything with this game.

[natearistata]

command buffering kills me too. try to do two quarter circle forward motions in a row, end up getting one qcf motion followed by a double qcf DM. =(

[Mightfo]

stuff

i am..not sure what you mean by buffer then, i thought you meant motion stuff like how i often get haoh shou kou ken with yuri when i try to do run->236p

i just hit hp when i land, hit command normal around hp's active frames, and im not familiar with iori's 6lplp sooo (But perhaps it wont connect because of range issues..?)

Ah! A fellow Iori player! Would you Happen to know any follow-ups to his command grab by any chance?

edit: I'm speaking to Skye.

srk wiki has some stuff

hcf+P

j.CD - (135, 8)

(corner only) dp+C, dp+A, dp+A - (226, 23)

dash, dp+C, qcf hcb+P - (305, 6)

dash, dp+C, qcf hcb+AC - (410, 6)

http://wiki.shoryuken.com/The_King_of_Fighters_XIII/Iori#Combos

[Qpunch]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6da56NFWoNs&list=FLsE1PF0Kmo0-f3IDE-v1fuA&index=1&feature=plpp_video

Something about "HD bypass" it's pretty useful actually

[Chris Chaos]

GGs to everybody I played this week. I'll be able to play a little more once my school projects are done.

To add on to what others are saying about the buffer system:

It is different than most other games, in fact; the buffer system is sensetive and moving too fast will get you something else. I found myself trying to high jump toward the opponent and trying to do a dive cutter and ended up with V-Slasher... if you're having issues with DM's coming out when your trying to follow up with another super move, move a little slower. There is a decent window when performing combos compaired to other fighters; heavy attacks give you a good window to not move your directional inputs as fast as possible if your hitting the opponent with a super move (this applies to linking most normals as well).

All of this can also be included for Juggle combos as well, when the opponent is in a Juggle state, you have a really good amount of time to follow up a super move with another super move (you are probably in HD Mode if this is the case) without having to move your stick (or pad) really fast to get it going. This requires a lot of practice so keep working on it until you've figured out the timing on buffering.

Edited November 30, 2011 by Shinsyn

[Bolverk-GTM]

I was going to wait until I get home to record matches I'll have with SkyKing today because they'll be better quality matches to judge my gameplay off of, but I decided "Screw it." Critique my Kensou.

[omegaryuji]

6lp-lp just won't connect at random.

Range dependent. You're usually better off just canceling from the first f+A instead of trying to do the second.

hcf+P

j.CD - (135, 8)

(corner only) dp+C, dp+A, dp+A - (226, 23)

dash, dp+C, qcf hcb+P - (305, 6)

dash, dp+C, qcf hcb+AC - (410, 6)

http://wiki.shoryuken.com/The_King_of_Fighters_XIII/Iori#Combos

You can also follow Iori's wildthrow with h.D to reset for another mixup or df+C, BC, HD juggle combo of choice.

Also, to whoever was asking about Mature's rekkas (noticed, forgot to quote, whatever), just play around with the input timing. It's hard to describe, but all I can really say is it's slower than it looks like it should be (same advice if anyone is struggling with Duo Lon rekkas, btw). You might be able to do them more easily if you hold down the button instead of just tapping it, but I'm not sure if XIII still has the input autorepeat for specials/DMs like other KOFs and I'm used to using Mature enough in the past to just do her rekkas normally.

But yeah, like Shinsyn said, you usually have a good amount of time to do inputs, so try slowing down a bit if you're having troubles (unless the problem is going too slowly *laughs* ).

[Rampage]

Re-read my post :P I referenced my BB main and UMvC3 team to help with suggestions for KOFXIII characters.

The closest to Noel I can think of is Mature, and your Marvel team seems to favor speedy rushdown, so Kyo, Andy, or Kula.

[Star-Demon]

This game is impossible to stream. I'm very disappointed that, between the lag I usually get between input and display (bad enough a problem for me in BlazBlue, fixable with some investments), and the unforgiving input and difficulty...I just can't stream myself playing this game.

Mature rewarded for retarded behavior? With half the moveset she has in other games? What? Explain this to me.

Says it all:

http://dreamcancel.com/2011/11/29/an-open-letter-regarding-kofxiii-online-play/

Edited December 1, 2011 by Star-Demon

[BoomBoxBeats]

the color edit is nice but i really wish it just had more colors

also i love when stuff like AA CD as terry links into EX buster wolf

Leona is low tier? Since when is there even a console tier list?

i am pointing out how meaningless it is for people to state who their favorite is. i never said there was anything wrong with people wanting their favorite, but if everyone sat down and posted "BTW I JUST WANT <x>" we wouldnt have a thread, we'd have a list of all kof characters. which is actually what usually happens with threads like these pre-release, which makes them not worth reading. Everyone knows everyone has preferred characters out of the 100+ that werent included in the 30ish in kof13. people are actually talking about things now post-release which is nice.

I'm actually playing Leona in my profile team I like her , I'm still little sad the Earing bomb is really slow now and with evasive rolls seems very worthless even as pressure maybe if a drive cancel. I'm sure there are other moves that I could spend meter on. The whole db~ub HP to ub~f HK is really hard for me right now...Never had to charge like that with little room for error.

[Mightfo]

I'm actually playing Leona in my profile team I like her , I'm still little sad the Earing bomb is really slow now and with evasive rolls seems very worthless even as pressure maybe if a drive cancel. I'm sure there are other moves that I could spend meter on. The whole db~ub HP to ub~f HK is really hard for me right now...Never had to charge like that with little room for error.

Haven't earring bombs always been slow?

EX version of it seems nice tho.

Also, while i havent tested with her earring bombs in particular, if they roll you might be able to punish reliably depending on range. Perhaps with [4]6k?

also after dec 10 you should come over for some kof or we should at least try online some

[SolxBaiken]

Her bombs are a legit spacing tool, they are far too slow to be used in practical pressure but know when to alternate the strengths and where can make it annoying to get in on Leona. Also you can buffer any of her charge moves to follow up after it, so you can follow a toss with her running slash ([4]6+K) which is a relatively safe move especially if you follow immediately afterwords, or you can put some "lag" in between the toss and the slash, either is good for punishing rolls. Or if you feel the opponent is going to jump in on you (provided they avoid the toss as you can't block mid-air), you can opt for either the ball ([4]6+P) or the crescent slash ([2]8+K)

Honestly I feel like spending meter for EX tosses are a complete waste when all of her other moves are much better in EX and the bombs are a fine enough tool on their own. EX crescent extends the range and gives you some invul frames. EX ball has a bigger hitbox and is fast (for this move anyway), EX cross (j213+PP) should be done close to the ground as it provides a projectile that stays there for a brief time and you will jump away in safety, plus if it connects you can dash to follow it up with a combo (my personal favorite being cl.HK>HK>6LK>j214+LP).

And then of course her Supers, particularly V-Slash (j2363214+P) is worth the meter (especially EX) for punishing jumps or catching your opponent off guard as they try to anti-air you.

Leona is all around awesome, you just have to get used to reading the situation, and once I master Drive Cancels with charge moves, she'll be even more beast~<3

[BURI]

Her bombs are a legit spacing tool, they are far too slow to be used in practical pressure but know when to alternate the strengths and where can make it annoying to get in on Leona. Also you can buffer any of her charge moves to follow up after it, so you can follow a toss with her running slash ([4]6+K) which is a relatively safe move especially if you follow immediately afterwords, or you can put some "lag" in between the toss and the slash, either is good for punishing rolls. Or if you feel the opponent is going to jump in on you (provided they avoid the toss as you can't block mid-air), you can opt for either the ball ([4]6+P) or the crescent slash ([2]8+K)

I've always liked Leona, I just miss her running slash natural follow-up and most of all her earring plant. That move was tons of fun.

Huh... I think you got Crescent Slash command wrong there, isn't it with P instead of K?

[BoomBoxBeats]

Haven't earring bombs always been slow?

EX version of it seems nice tho.

Also, while i havent tested with her earring bombs in particular, if they roll you might be able to punish reliably depending on range. Perhaps with [4]6k?

also after dec 10 you should come over for some kof or we should at least try online some

in the previous versions the start up was always slow but the initial toss was faster, I plan on it! working on the new Vice as well I miss her 214 LK|HK move and now they gave her one of orochi yashiro's moves (very similar arch and distance) its a cool move but I guess if they let her keep her multi kick move she would be OP.

[SolxBaiken]

Huh... I think you got Crescent Slash command wrong there, isn't it with P instead of K?

Nope, it's P, just turned it on to make sure since I was running off muscle memory and am juggling a few things.

Also the speed of the toss isn't that bad, and like I said wasting meter on the EX ver just to have a faster and stronger one is a waste compared to the other EX moves. Toss is fine, you'll just have to do some adjusting [granted this is the first and only KoF I actually bothered to touch Leona, freaking hate her...but I'm finding out that in XIII all the characters I've hated for years are becoming my strongest orz)

[BoomBoxBeats]

Sol I'm also working on adjusting to her Ex moves, right now my main problem is what your trying to achieve "Drive cancels from Moon Slasher to Grand Saber"...its easy to do it the other way around because of the running animation on grand saber I use to it hold my charge for Moon Slasher. I can't get the timing to make it a drive cancel for the previous though.

V-slasher is awesome I use quite abit myself atm but I'm also trying combos for her Slash saber, without drive canceling haha

Corner: (Jump in deep while holding[4]) J.5HK, 5HK, [6]LK 2141236 LK or HK

Corner Hypercharge (Jump in deep while holding[4]) J.5HK, 5HK, [6]LK 2141236 LK or HK wait for the start of the explosion then max cancel 2141236 Lp+Hp.

if you do it right they should still be technically flying up into her blade if your off they will fall before you strike.

:[ so far thats all I know other than what i've seen in trial

[BoomBoxBeats]

Nope, it's P, just turned it on to make sure since I was running off muscle memory and am juggling a few things.

Also the speed of the toss isn't that bad, and like I said wasting meter on the EX ver just to have a faster and stronger one is a waste compared to the other EX moves. Toss is fine, you'll just have to do some adjusting [granted this is the first and only KoF I actually bothered to touch Leona, freaking hate her...but I'm finding out that in XIII all the characters I've hated for years are becoming my strongest orz)

I love Leona but I was more offensive than defensive in previous KoF games so I picked people like Blue Mary and Clark ...(no more running suplex T_T) character I hate the most is Ash and Benimaru.. effeminate guys I don't like at all Ash especially. I also need to stop picking Kim every year...he kicks his way into my heart somehow. Edited December 1, 2011 by BoomBoxBeats

[Rampage]

Nope, it's P, just turned it on to make sure since I was running off muscle memory and am juggling a few things.

Also the speed of the toss isn't that bad, and like I said wasting meter on the EX ver just to have a faster and stronger one is a waste compared to the other EX moves. Toss is fine, you'll just have to do some adjusting [granted this is the first and only KoF I actually bothered to touch Leona, freaking hate her...but I'm finding out that in XIII all the characters I've hated for years are becoming my strongest orz)

You never told me why the strong hatred.

[BoomBoxBeats]

You never told me why the strong hatred.

bust wasnt big enough?

[Bolverk-GTM]

bust wasnt big enough?

If Leona isn't a big enough bust, then her next best bet would probably be Mai and taking Mai over Leona would be... Especially since Leona is so amazing and Mai just "gets around" too much.

Oh wait, we're talking about the gameplay here, not who's the better KoF waifu. My apologies.

[AtTheGates]

Corner: (Jump in deep while holding[4]) J.5HK, 5HK, [6]LK 2141236 LK or HK

Corner Hypercharge (Jump in deep while holding[4]) J.5HK, 5HK, [6]LK 2141236 LK or HK wait for the start of the explosion then max cancel 2141236 Lp+Hp.

if you do it right they should still be technically flying up into her blade if your off they will fall before you strike.

forget those asap and use those:

Corner cr.B, cr.B, s.B, f+B, j.214C,\/, [d],u+C Drive Cancel ,f+D, then:

[d],u+C: [50% HD-Gauge] 308 damage.

j.QCF,HCB+P(P): [50% HD-Gauge, 1-2 Stocks] 412/490 damage.

http://wiki.hardedge.org/index.php/Leona_Heidern%28KOFXIII%29