MastaToken Posted September 24, 2014 Posted September 24, 2014 I actually believe she has no awful matchups. She can deal with most situations. Her worst matchup to me is Jin, because he's Tsubaki with better everything, and maybe Litchi (which is the worst MU for many characters) We'll see. ....yep, this is pretty funny.
Zouf Posted September 24, 2014 Posted September 24, 2014 Do what you want mate. Sure I would be nice to respect it, but no. I am not a nice person, therefore I don't respect it. This isn't the first time you have said something so shocking. What is wrong with you? Seriously? Jin? Tell me something. Do you have a lot of good matchup experience? Do you have a lot of good Kokonoe experience? I don't think you have a lot of MU exp, and if you do, it isn't to a good degree. Fuck sake this forum man. Use some common sense. Kokonoe? No shit. Guess what, she's top tier, that's maybe why. Everyone and their mother has the worst MU against her. And yeah, Azrael, Litchi, Carl too. Fucking DUH. Jin's matchup SUX. That doesn't change this fact. Tell me otherwise please.
Airk Posted September 24, 2014 Posted September 24, 2014 Kokonoe? No shit. Guess what, she's top tier, that's maybe why. Everyone and their mother has the worst MU against her. And yeah, Azrael, Litchi, Carl too. Fucking DUH. Jin's matchup SUX. That doesn't change this fact. Tell me otherwise please. You do understand you said "Tsubaki's worst matchup is Jin" not "Tsubaki's worst matchup outside of the obvious top tiers is Jin" right? Words. You need to use the right ones.
Zouf Posted September 24, 2014 Posted September 24, 2014 You do understand you said "Tsubaki's worst matchup is Jin" not "Tsubaki's worst matchup outside of the obvious top tiers is Jin" right? Words. You need to use the right ones. No, i said "Her worst matchup to me is Jin" Words indeed. Jin feels frustrating, Kokonoe, hardly, because I know where she stands.
bakahyl Posted September 24, 2014 Posted September 24, 2014 Kokonoe? No shit. Guess what, she's top tier, that's maybe why. Everyone and their mother has the worst MU against her. And yeah, Azrael, Litchi, Carl too. Fucking DUH. Jin's matchup SUX. That doesn't change this fact. Tell me otherwise please. To be fair, many of Tsubaki's matchups looks to me that they seem to suck. Tsu apparently even has trouble with other bottom tier characters like Bullet... edit: does Tsu even have a good matchup?
chzchan Posted September 24, 2014 Posted September 24, 2014 No, i said "Her worst matchup to me is Jin" Words indeed. Jin feels frustrating, Kokonoe, hardly, because I know where she stands. My feelings on the Jin matchup is that you can at least charge in neutral and not have to spend the entire round trying to catch him due to superior movement options and projectiles in your face. Fighting Jin is frustrating for everyone, and, even though the matchup is definitely not in Tsubaki's favor, it is not her worst matchup by far. Bang, Hakumen, Mu-12, Nu-13, and Litchi is where it's at. Especially Bang.
Kiba Posted September 24, 2014 Posted September 24, 2014 Kokonoe? No shit. Guess what, she's top tier, that's maybe why. Everyone and their mother has the worst MU against her. And yeah, Azrael, Litchi, Carl too. Fucking DUH. Jin's matchup SUX. That doesn't change this fact. Tell me otherwise please. Man you must have a lot of character experience to say that everyone has the worst matchup against Kokonoe, that completely beats what I said earlier! Listen man, it still stands that you're saying that her worst matchup is Jin. You also said that you believe Tsubaki doesn't have any awful matchups! Tell me that isn't bullshit. So I'll tell you what right now. I'm not going to continue to amuse you, so if you have anything else to say regarding this subject you can take it to the chat or PM. Anything else you or anyone says on this matter is gonna get fuckin' bombed, and if you try to continue I'll infract you. If you don't have anything constructive to say, please do not post.
Airk Posted September 24, 2014 Posted September 24, 2014 Tsubaki probably has a matchup that is 5.5 in her favor, but I don't know what it is. Maybe Makoto. If this doesn't count as productive, Kiba can kill me.
Zouf Posted September 24, 2014 Posted September 24, 2014 Go infract me, your epenis will surely grow after this. Sorry, i didn't know posting one's opinion was forbidden on this forum. I'll refrain from it and post some shit everyone knows about. Poor Tsubaki is struggling against the top tiers, boo hoo, nobody knew that already. it still stands that you're saying that her worst matchup is Jin. You should seriously get down from your high horses and start to read the sentence I wrote as a whole. A sage told me once that words have meanings. I'd suggest you to never go to EVO again, you became a serious ass since then. My sincerely.
LordSpectreX Posted September 24, 2014 Posted September 24, 2014 Jin - Tsubaki is 10-0 in Jin's favour, discounting human error. *inside joke*
Chaoschao222 Posted September 24, 2014 Posted September 24, 2014 Posting your opinion isn't a bannable offense Though there are two rules that often apply. 11. Being a giant whiny crybaby or otherwise being insufferable about something stupid will get you banned because frankly, nobody wants to listen to you complain. Likewise goes for being thickheaded or making massive jumps to conclusions about shit. 12. Don't try to make informed posts about something you are not informed about. That means, if you are a scrub, don't try and suggest strategies unless you've got someone/something serious to back them up. If you haven't even played a game, don't try to comment on it about anything. Questions are fine, spreading bad information or other stupidity is not. My apologies if this only fuels things further, Kiba.
pktazn Posted September 24, 2014 Author Posted September 24, 2014 Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm I've been debating if I should say something or not since I don't want this to get out of hand but it's gonna bug me if I don't so I'll say it. Posting an opinion is fine but at least explain why and back it up. This goes for everyone. Just saying, "no that's not true you suck" or "it's my opinion" and ending it there is not constructive discussion. If you don't want to then that's on you friend-o but don't be surprised if people are confused and don't understand your train of thought. People don't even have to agree on it after all is said and done but at least something useful might have come out of it instead of petty insults. Also those insults are best left elsewhere since in the end, they usually end up making you look worse than the person you're insulting. Also hi yes I'm still alive and kicking.
StylisH Posted September 24, 2014 Posted September 24, 2014 Question, what is general opinion on the Izayoi matchup? I have yet to actually play it. Please don't infract me?
Errol Posted September 24, 2014 Posted September 24, 2014 Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm I've been debating if I should say something or not since I don't want this to get out of hand but it's gonna bug me if I don't so I'll say it. Posting an opinion is fine but at least explain why and back it up. This goes for everyone. Just saying, "no that's not true you suck" or "it's my opinion" and ending it there is not constructive discussion. If you don't want to then that's on you friend-o but don't be surprised if people are confused and don't understand your train of thought. People don't even have to agree on it after all is said and done but at least something useful might have come out of it instead of petty insults. Also those insults are best left elsewhere since in the end, they usually end up making you look worse than the person you're insulting. Also hi yes I'm still alive and kicking. Ginseng ? you changed your avatar, I didn't recognize you
BatousaiJ Posted September 25, 2014 Posted September 25, 2014 Come on guys, lets get back on topic and stick to TSUBAKI GAMEPLAY. I personally think Tsubaki's game is much better than her play. If I had to put it in a scale of marshmallows to peanut butter, I would say it's about chocolate chip waffle ice cream.
chzchan Posted September 25, 2014 Posted September 25, 2014 Actually, after trying it at the LA county fair today, I would say her game's more like chocolate covered bacon. You know exactly what you are in for and how bad it is for you when you decide to eat it, but you do it anyway and then the suffering hits immediately and you ask yourself who in the right mind would ever think this is a good idea but keep eating. Ten years later you start thinking "If I keep this up I'm probably going to end up killing myself" but you continue to eat. Now lying on your death bed at age 30 you are watching some videos of Konan and Kuresu horking the stuff down by the handful without so much as clogging an artery or showing signs of fatigue and it hits you. You had thought it was the bacon's fault for your entire life but you realize that it was actually your own. With a body not fit for the kind of abuse making this decison entailed you curse yourself for not knowing you would not be able to handle it all those years ago.
Nakkiel Posted September 25, 2014 Posted September 25, 2014 maybe Litchi (which is the worst MU for many characters) lmao what litchi isn't even S-tier in CP and her matchups have never been very lopsided outside of a couple unfortunate characters, the reason she's strong is because she has tools to deal with pretty much every situation and doesn't have unfavorable matchups
Errol Posted September 25, 2014 Posted September 25, 2014 Litchi is decent at best +1. Not the worst matchup for tsubaki.
Errol Posted September 25, 2014 Posted September 25, 2014 #litchisucksthebest ? She doesn't sound like she is getting raped when you combo her as of CP so this matchup did get worse.
Airk Posted September 25, 2014 Posted September 25, 2014 lmao what litchi isn't even S-tier in CP and her matchups have never been very lopsided outside of a couple unfortunate characters, the reason she's strong is because she has tools to deal with pretty much every situation and doesn't have unfavorable matchups So you can be strong and have tools for everything without having lopsided matchups? In a game where there exist characters who aren't and don't? I am not sure I am convinced. Of course, if you ask LK, she's terrible, so whatever. :P
toanenadiz Posted September 25, 2014 Posted September 25, 2014 That is possible. A great example would be Rose in Ultra. A strong character will tools for everything but has really close match-ups, which none going outside of the 6-4, even against a horrible characters like Dee Jay and Dan who lack important tools. Granted it is a different game but I think it is a good example that shows that it happens.
zaeris Posted September 25, 2014 Posted September 25, 2014 to me anyway. it is not so much an issue of match up but rather her current build, all tools and option are flawed to accommodate her play style. Let face it, she doesn't have the tools the get in well, people can keep her out, and her mix up is subpar for a rush down character, damage is also subpar and random conversion is into damage is also bad, she relies on a slow mechanic for damage; her charges. It kinda hard to find a good match up because she is rather incomplete.
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