stickystaines Posted December 27, 2012 Posted December 27, 2012 Izayoi blocked the instant jump A while standing. A lot of characters can do that, but the trick is being able to set it up easily and actually get damage off of it. I'm not sure if Azrael has either of those things, really. I mean, does he really need any more shit than he already has anyway? Oh i get you, like Ragna j.ACD after 22C. The other problem he has is that he cant dash jump for easy momentum. Possible setup after scud (corner?)
Yukikaze Posted December 27, 2012 Posted December 27, 2012 Please read the first post. Apologies, i overlooked that section. So only BHS becomes unblockable, on paper seems like a slightly watered down johnny with infinite coins. Is it impossible to combo off BHS then? nothing is listed in the combo section.
YukiBlue Posted December 27, 2012 Posted December 27, 2012 Nope. It does great damage as a punish, and it has incredible minimum damage. You would have to RC it. But that would be a disgustingly bad use of meter unless it gave the round. I could see 22C as an option if they're close to the corner when you land BHS, It sends them flying away.
LegendaryRath Posted December 27, 2012 Posted December 27, 2012 Nope. It does great damage as a punish, and it has incredible minimum damage. You would have to RC it. But that would be a disgustingly bad use of meter unless it gave the round. I could see 22C as an option if they're close to the corner when you land BHS, It sends them flying away. BHS is pretty great as a combo ender or a fat punish. I'm interested in seeing how practical unblockable setups will become.
BladeOfJustice7 Posted December 27, 2012 Posted December 27, 2012 ^If you don't have meter, nor a meterless reversal: 5c (if they barrier it)>BHS seems to work still.
LegendaryRath Posted December 27, 2012 Posted December 27, 2012 (edited) We can indeed absorb Amane's drills http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=y89HBit_DDc#t=119s And again here, it's very practical, it would seem. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=y89HBit_DDc#t=170s Also, using Phalanx cannon in corner combos. It adds some damage, not a whole lot. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=y89HBit_DDc#t=140s And holy crap, look at this combo. Maybe it's character specific or something. It reminds me of Tager/Haku only combos. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=y89HBit_DDc#t=218s TCL after sentinel dump midscreen. The combo ends up dropping when he tries to launch in the corner, most likely because of which starter he used. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=y89HBit_DDc#t=268s And again here. Something tells me that he wouldn't be trying unless he thought that it could end properly. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=y89HBit_DDc#t=455s Edited December 27, 2012 by LegendaryRath
MetalMaelstrom Posted December 27, 2012 Posted December 27, 2012 I really want to see the P1/P2 values for Scud. If the P2 is good enough as well as the hitstun (it has like 3-second crumple in OD), it could be used for hella sick confirms a la Hazama (i.e. 1 or 2 normals > super > follow-up combo).
LegendaryRath Posted December 27, 2012 Posted December 27, 2012 Edited my last post more than was probably necessary. Some interesting clips in there that are making me think seriously about some possible combos.
YukiBlue Posted December 27, 2012 Posted December 27, 2012 In all honesty I'd only ever use BHS if it was fullscreen. Gustaf Buster is safe and it covers a lot of ground. And on CH I can do into TCL / Weakpoint. I can see myself saving my meter for BHS enders due to the ridiculous Minimum damage (1800 or something????? 1200?) Or Scud Enders If I'm feeling risky.
Eternal Blaze Posted December 28, 2012 Posted December 28, 2012 1200 is the minimum BHS damage IIRC. Yeah BHS is best used as a combo ender imo, you can see Shadow's Az in one of the vids trying BHS>RC> IAD into combo but it didnt work coz he was too far, might have worked if he hit the BHS closer to the corner but its still a stupid way to waste all your meter. Is the cr.C x3 combo CH only? it was in one of the recent vids and I was laughing too hard at how stupid it looked to check..
YukiBlue Posted December 28, 2012 Posted December 28, 2012 1200 Minimum damage is absolutely amazing all things considered. - Incredibly Fast. One of the fastest distortions in the game. - Range long enough to warrant a Sniper Scope - Easy as shit to combo into So let's say we do 4.5K Meterless from a Weakpoint. Adding on BHS makes it more or less 6K (Not rounding Hundreds). If you dare RC that I'll personally lean through your screen and BHS you so hard you will die to death. Unless you're in the corner and they have magic pixels left. In no situation should you RC. Don't give a damn if it causes controversy. Azrael is looking to be a ton better than Amane and Bullet. Manliness Prevails.
DragonLordZ Posted December 28, 2012 Posted December 28, 2012 http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=K7TH0mKWudI#t=742s God DAMN, now THIS is how Azrael is meant to be played, both weak points applied with the opponent near the corner and a 5K combo off of that, and as a bonus the combo doesn't even look optimal.
YukiBlue Posted December 28, 2012 Posted December 28, 2012 5K Meterless?! I've got to Notate that shit. So they have to be near the corner.... [uW][LW] 5B(CH) > 2C > 6D > 6A > 214Dx2 > IAD > Stuff (j.C?) > 6B > Something else Shit is confusing.
CerealKillerP Posted December 28, 2012 Posted December 28, 2012 (edited) [uW][LW] 5B(CH) > 2C > 3D > 6A > 236D > [6] > 5C > [6] > 5C > [6] > 6C > [6] > j.C > 6B > 22C > 6A It's rare that we see Valiant Chargers into something other than 5C. EDIT: Maybe you could do 5B into Aerial after 22C and reapply a weakpoint. Would give nice damage and a weakpoint without using meter. Edited December 28, 2012 by CerealKillerP
YukiBlue Posted December 28, 2012 Posted December 28, 2012 Yeah fuck me not not even knowing the D's. Corner 5B Pickups seem to whiff a lot of the time from what I've seen. I usually just see 5A > BHS.
STenSatsu Posted December 29, 2012 Posted December 29, 2012 http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm19703166 Amazing combo video for some BNBs. And dat song lol.
LegendaryRath Posted December 29, 2012 Posted December 29, 2012 (edited) http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm19703166 Amazing combo video for some BNBs. And dat song lol. Oh my goodness that's some good stuff. Sentinel dump combos getting 2/3+ corner carry and massive damage. Also ending practical combos with both weakpoints. MUST PLAY HIM NOW... I particularly like how practical the LW combos look. At around 2:20 he gets 5300 damage and great corner carry for only 25 meter. Edited December 29, 2012 by LegendaryRath
DragonLordZ Posted December 29, 2012 Posted December 29, 2012 http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm19703166 Amazing combo video for some BNBs. And dat song lol. BOTH weakpoints applied during one combo, pretty cool stuff to see, now if ONLY a japanese Azrael player would pull these off in a real match, oh the hype...
LegendaryRath Posted December 29, 2012 Posted December 29, 2012 Give it a month and they'll all be doing stuff like this, or at least attempting it. These combos look super practical and definitely the most optimal that I've seen so far. Reminds me of the fancy Ex Hakumen combos, except with more fire.
DragonLordZ Posted December 29, 2012 Posted December 29, 2012 I uploaded the combo video to YT for the benefit or people without Nico accounts: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HehZwwrgt0A Hopefully I put enough disclaimers and whatnot to earn me some cover from YT's ever watching eye.
LegendaryRath Posted December 29, 2012 Posted December 29, 2012 At 3:25 he get's both weakpoints off a forward grab and get's 3k+ Good stuff.
MetalMaelstrom Posted December 29, 2012 Posted December 29, 2012 I guess this answers our questions about being able to combo from non-weakpoint Valiant/Hornet. Just links with A moves. The 6A > IAD j.A/j.C parts remind me of AC Slayer.
YukiBlue Posted December 29, 2012 Posted December 29, 2012 That Nico video was insanely hype. Those combos looked insane AND practical. Those 6K combos seemed really easy to land, man.
CerealKillerP Posted December 30, 2012 Posted December 30, 2012 I got Jourdal to upload it so everyone can watch it. We have to show everyone that they should be afraid of Azrael.
YukiBlue Posted December 30, 2012 Posted December 30, 2012 Beginner BNB list? Pretty sure we can make it from this video. Also I have to comment on 3C...3K damage + 75% carry?...Someone hold me.
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