Shruikon Posted September 19, 2011 Posted September 19, 2011 I wouldn't try to mash it out but rather just hit it as fast as you can. It will also help show how long it takes for the move to be registered after you hit the button to give a better sense of the timing for the move I think. Like sometimes (when I was practicing) if I tried to mash out IAD j.C, only the IAD would come out no matter how fast I mashed the j.C. Yeah. I've learnt not to mash out the j.C, especially since if you do that and do get the j.C, j.CC follows almost straight away which is bad. Back to training mode I suppose~ Oh, on another note, attempting DP whiffs again, got the motion down again and using j.214B(w) instead of j.214A(w) to save myself having to dash. I can't seem to land 2CC afterwards though, or very rarely. 2C can connect fine but they're usually out of range for 2CC. Anyone got any tips on the timing for that?
Rhiya Posted September 20, 2011 Posted September 20, 2011 Just learn to whiff j.214A and then dash. Some people swear by whiffing j.214C, but that's actually a bit less consistent in my experience, even if it is easier.
Errol Posted September 20, 2011 Posted September 20, 2011 Just learn to whiff j.214A and then dash. Some people swear by whiffing j.214C, but that's actually a bit less consistent in my experience, even if it is easier. Agreed with this. You can follow up j214a easily even if you hit the j214a pretty late. You won't be able to do anything else in whatever they're calling the next version of BB anyway.
DSveno Posted September 20, 2011 Posted September 20, 2011 Oh, on another note, attempting DP whiffs again, got the motion down again and using j.214B(w) instead of j.214A(w) to save myself having to dash. I can't seem to land 2CC afterwards though, or very rarely. 2C can connect fine but they're usually out of range for 2CC. Anyone got any tips on the timing for that? I delay the second C after 2C a little bit. My practice still isn't consistent, but at least it does connect after various tries. Also, 2C should be connected as late as possible, so the opponent won't float too high for the second C. I have a question regarding one of Ginseng's combo: throw > dash 2B 2CC > 22C > 5C 2C > 236B 214B 22B The 5C couldn't hit no matter what I tried, so I have to use 5C(w)C 2C instead. I guess that's fine, but it's kinda bugging me. The opponent always slided too low to get hit by the first 5C. Is it character specific? I tried it on Jin and Hazama, and both failed. Haven't tested on other characters yet.
redsilversnake Posted September 20, 2011 Posted September 20, 2011 The 5C couldn't hit no matter what I tried, so I have to use 5C(w)C 2C instead. I guess that's fine, but it's kinda bugging me. The opponent always slided too low to get hit by the first 5C. Is it character specific? I tried it on Jin and Hazama, and both failed. Haven't tested on other characters yet. For that combo, it's best done if the 22C hits them while they're still relatively high. That way, they're still sliding when you use 5C. It's also more consistent if you do a very short dash after 22C. Also, Jin's hitbox makes it hard to connect certain OTG combos, so you'll want to practice on other characters.
BatousaiJ Posted September 20, 2011 Posted September 20, 2011 The sliding 5C > 2C pick up doesn't work on Jin. It should work fine on Haz. Make sure you're in the corner when you do it and as noted above, hit them with 22C high and do a dash 5C instead of a standard 5C.
Andru Posted September 20, 2011 Posted September 20, 2011 Is there a proper 6C Fatal combo I should be using? The combo thread doesn't have any. I just go into 214D and IAD combo if I have a charge, or air combo if I don't.
TheGreatReptar Posted September 20, 2011 Posted September 20, 2011 (edited) 6C>214D>2CC>IAD>j.CC>land>5C>2CC>IAD>j.CC>land>5B>2CC>236B>214B>22B is the standard fatal combo with charge. As for chargeless, the best I've come up with is 6CC>236C>5A>5B>2CC>IAD>j.CC>5B>2CC>236B>214B>22B. Edited September 20, 2011 by TheGreatReptar
Andru Posted September 20, 2011 Posted September 20, 2011 (edited) Got it without too much trouble~ 4346 damage, nice 5300 with air combo ender, 2 charges, and 50 meter. XD Need to make Noel pay for doing wakeup drive. >_> Edited September 20, 2011 by Andru
TheGreatReptar Posted September 20, 2011 Posted September 20, 2011 (edited) Oh, in the corner, 6CC>j.C>214D>land>5C(w)C>2CC>IAD>j.CC>land>5B>2CC>22C>5C>2C>236B>214B>22B does more damage than the double IAD. And the meterless fatal combo I posted doesn't like working in the corner. It's possible, but has really strict timing. You can also use 2A instead of 5A, which is probably more advisable, since 2A has better P2 proration. Found a new much better chargeless fatal combo for the corner just now too. 6CC>22C>dash 5C(w)C>2CC>IAD>j.CC>land>5B>2CC>236C>5C>236B>214B>22B. Does 3802 on the PSP version of the game. Edited September 20, 2011 by TheGreatReptar
Kiba Posted October 2, 2011 Posted October 2, 2011 0 charge Corner: 5B - 5CC - 623C - J.214A(w) - 2CC (max height) - 236C - 5C - 2CC - 22C - 5C - 2C - 236B - 214B - 22B (3.4K) 5C CH - 5D - Dash 5B - 5CC - 623C - J.214A(w) - 2CC (Max height) - 236C -5C - 2CC - 22C - 5C - 2C - 236B - 214B - 22B (3.9K) 1 charge Midscreen: 5C CH - Tap 5D - Dash 5B - 5CC - 623C - J.214A(w) - 214D - 2CC - IAD J.CC(delay) - 5B - 2CC - 236B - 214B - 22C (4.2K) 5B - 5CC - 623C - J.214A(w) - 214D - 2CC - IAD J.CC(delay) - 5B - 2CC - 236B - 214B - 22C (3.7K) Corner: 5C CH - 6CC - 623C - J.214D - 5C(w)C - 2CC - IAD J.CC(delay) - 5B - 2CC - 22C - 5C - 2C - 236B - 214B - 22B (5.1K) 2 charge Corner: 5B - 5CC - 623C - J.214A(w) - 214D - 6CC - 623C - J.236A(w) - J.214D - 5C(w)C - 2CC - 22C - 5C - 2C - 236B - 214B - 22B (4.6K) I remember someone way back saying that we should update our combos with more expert ones so I thought I'd list a few of Tsubaki's optimal combos.
Shruikon Posted October 2, 2011 Posted October 2, 2011 Thanks Kiba. I didn't know we could extend DP whiff combos with 236C. And on that note, I can't get that 5C after 236C to land, and I assume they're not Rachel/Tager specific. Got any video reference for them?
BatousaiJ Posted October 2, 2011 Posted October 2, 2011 Those are some fine combos. People should definitely add them to their arsenal. Just don't forget wonky hitboxes of certain characters can make the 2CC > 236C > etc etc difficult to land.
HajinShinobi Posted October 2, 2011 Posted October 2, 2011 Just a few quicks with some of these combos as in regards to Jin. 1) 5B - 5CC - 623C - J.214A(w) - 2CC (max height) - 236C - 5C - 2CC - 22C - 5C - 2C - 236B - 214B - 22B(3.4k) The 5C 2C pickup will whiff, whereas 5C(w)C 2C will hit and still allow you to get the same 3.4k damage. Same applies to the 5C CH version. 2) 5C CH - 6CC - 623C - J.214D - 5C(w)C - 2CC - IAD J.CC(delay) - 5B - 2CC - 22C - 5C - 2C - 236B - 214B - 22B (5.1K) Again, the 5C 2C pick will whiff since Jin techs after the 22C KB. We can still do 5C CH - 6CC - 623C - J.214D - 5C(w)C - 2CC - IAD J.CC(delay) - 5B - 2CC - 236B - 214B - 22B for 4.9K though. 3) 5B - 5CC - 623C - J.214A(w) - 214D - 6CC - 623C - J.236A(w) - J.214D - 5C(w)C - 2CC - 22C - 5C - 2C - 236B - 214B - 22B (4.6K) Again, just use 5C(w)C 2C pickup and you'll still land the 4.6K. That's probably already known but I just wanted to get that out there.
Shruikon Posted October 2, 2011 Posted October 2, 2011 Yeah, it's commonly known that the 5C pickup doesn't work on Jin. Although, whenever I've tried, 5C(w)C 2C would always lead to him teching out :S
Kiba Posted October 2, 2011 Posted October 2, 2011 Thanks Hajin. Thanks Kiba. I didn't know we could extend DP whiff combos with 236C. And on that note, I can't get that 5C after 236C to land, and I assume they're not Rachel/Tager specific. Got any video reference for them? Here ya go: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwMZEsR_eMw&t=10m56s Just don't forget wonky hitboxes of certain characters can make the 2CC > 236C > etc etc difficult to land. Which characters in particular? Also: Corner with 2 charges: 6A - 5CC - 623C - J.214A(w) - 214D - 6CC - 623C - J.236A(w) - J.214D - 5C(w)C - 2CC - 22C - 5C - 2C - 236B - 214B - 22B (3.9K) As with Jin, you can do 2CC - 236C 214C - 22C ender.
duatra4ever Posted October 2, 2011 Posted October 2, 2011 5B-5CC-623C~j.214A-2CC-22D Charge(can up to 0.7 install)-6CC-623C-j236A~j214D-5CC-2CC-22C-5C-2C-236C-214B-22B It is better from your 5B starter Kiba, because it can be started when you have only 1.3 install and it does 4.7k \o/ You just must have to be at the distance from where the 22D will cause a wallbounce. I'm french so it can be strange how it is written '-'
Kiba Posted October 2, 2011 Posted October 2, 2011 That combo also does the same damage as mine, and tbh I'd prefer to use your one haha! You should post more regularly dude. I can't really come on PSN because of uni so I can't get alot of games with you. No worries and thanks for the input!
pktazn Posted October 2, 2011 Posted October 2, 2011 Which characters in particular? I'm assuming anyone with a small hitbox since that's usually who it doesn't work when I try. And thanks for sharing guys :D
Kiba Posted October 2, 2011 Posted October 2, 2011 Ah that's fair. I've found it's the 22C - 236C is difficult to connect against Carl, or maybe you can't connect it at all. Or alternatively, it could just be me. No problem PK.
HajinShinobi Posted October 2, 2011 Posted October 2, 2011 Yeah, it's commonly known that the 5C pickup doesn't work on Jin. Although, whenever I've tried, 5C(w)C 2C would always lead to him teching out :S Sorry, I forgot to mention that 22C needs to be charged abit more than usual. And no problem, Kiba. Also yeah, I dont think the 236C - 5C 2CC variations work on Carl. 236C - 5C 2CC - 22C - 5C 2C will hit, but the 236B - 214B - 22B will whiff.
Shruikon Posted October 3, 2011 Posted October 3, 2011 Here ya go: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwMZEsR_eMw&t=10m56s Oh. Right, it's a corner combo, not midscreen. Duh. Thanks anyway. Also, is your connection at Uni really that bad? =/ 5B-5CC-623C~j.214A-2CC-22D Charge(can up to 0.7 install)-6CC-623C-j236A~j214D-5CC-2CC-22C-5C-2C-236C-214B-22B It is better from your 5B starter Kiba, because it can be started when you have only 1.3 install and it does 4.7k \o/ You just must have to be at the distance from where the 22D will cause a wallbounce. I'm french so it can be strange how it is written '-' This is a pretty damn neat combo. I'll give it a shot tomorrow :3
Kiba Posted October 3, 2011 Posted October 3, 2011 Also, is your connection at Uni really that bad? =/ Unfortunately. It's why I have problems watching Hex's stream. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4uuUKS0cSI&t=0m21s Combo for when you're too far from the opponent to use DP whiff, but bear in mind the 2C may whiff on characters with smaller hitboxes. Alternatively you can do: 2BB - 5CC - 236C - 2A - 5BB - 5CC - 214A - 22A. This also works from a 6A if you're far (or hitting with the last few active frames of 236C). This combo isn't as easy to do in the corner btw. I'd think it's an intermediate combo.
ghost333 Posted October 3, 2011 Posted October 3, 2011 (5A/2A) 5BB 5CC > 623C > j.214A whiff > dash 2CC > 236B 214B 22B i cant land the 236B on jin is it me or just jin?
Airk Posted October 3, 2011 Posted October 3, 2011 Have you tried delaying it a little more? There should be plenty of time to hit with it there.
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