Nakkiel Posted April 15, 2015 Posted April 15, 2015 As I edited with the explanation, regardless of whether it's an appeal to authority or not, what is the "evidence" I'm dismissing in this case? Someone's feelings? It is a matchup in a fighting game, a fully competitive setting, what is the measurement that we should be using? My point is not "you're wrong", my point is they should be heavily considering what they think because they have conflicting opinions from reliable sources. My rebuttal to your post is hardly repeating the same thing, it's me pointing out how irrelevant what you said was. Also keep in mind an appeal to authority is not even fallacious unless it's misused.
Errol Posted April 15, 2015 Posted April 15, 2015 TBH I find cor's words on the subject to hold plenty of weight without going to something Dora may have said about the matchup at some point... Dora sometimes say some weird things so it's hard for me to tell without context, what to take from something he says. You're right, it was irrelevant.
kosmos badgirl Posted April 15, 2015 Posted April 15, 2015 Mori and CPE in 20 minutes here: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/%E3%82%B2%E3%83%BC%E3%83%A0%E6%83%85%E5%A0%B1%E7%99%BA%E4%BF%A1
Tokkan Posted April 15, 2015 Posted April 15, 2015 Yeah, apparently they'll be showing off the Mai system voice in the stream.
SixWingedAngel Posted April 15, 2015 Posted April 15, 2015 Mori and CPE in 20 minutes here: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/%E3%82%B2%E3%83%BC%E3%83%A0%E6%83%85%E5%A0%B1%E7%99%BA%E4%BF%A1 Did mori really catch a cold or is he trolling? lol
kosmos badgirl Posted April 15, 2015 Posted April 15, 2015 lol, Mori looks and sounds like crap, is he sick?,
Tokkan Posted April 15, 2015 Posted April 15, 2015 Ozawa called Remix Heart a "motemote komikku" (popular/well-liked comic), lol.
kosmos badgirl Posted April 15, 2015 Posted April 15, 2015 So sepcial stream the day before the release, April 22, 20:00.
C0R Posted April 15, 2015 Posted April 15, 2015 lol, Mori looks and sounds like crap, is he sick?, Probably. Couple folks from out of town came down with something hard post con.
LaowPing Posted April 15, 2015 Posted April 15, 2015 I personally enjoyed remix heart. Should probably go back and finish it at some point. Sent from my ZTE-X500 using Tapatalk 2
antonymichiru Posted April 15, 2015 Posted April 15, 2015 Mori and CPE in 20 minutes here: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/ゲーム情報発信 Is it possible to watch it from the beginning?
StylisH Posted April 15, 2015 Posted April 15, 2015 Did mori really catch a cold or is he trolling? lol Mori is ALWAYS trolling. An Izanami system voice would be nice. The ability to select BGMs from previous BB games would be nice as well.
Tokkan Posted April 15, 2015 Posted April 15, 2015 An Izanami system voice would be nice. The ability to select BGMs from previous BB games would be nice as well. Both of those things already exist.
mAc Chaos Posted April 15, 2015 Posted April 15, 2015 In EX? Selecting old BGM was DLC before. And old stages.
Tokkan Posted April 15, 2015 Posted April 15, 2015 In EX? Selecting old BGM was DLC before. And old stages. Old BBCP DLC was already confirmed since the end of January to be included with the base EX game, though most of it is as unlockables in the Gallery.
Dark Ranger88 Posted April 15, 2015 Posted April 15, 2015 The ability to select BGMs from the GG games would be nice as well. Fixed it for ya.
chzchan Posted April 15, 2015 Posted April 15, 2015 I hope they eventually add individual options for character voice packs so they aren't all in Japanese or all in English. Also, it would be neat if they could add in the voice lines from older iterations of the game that you could cycle through with that individual voice menu as well. Current Hakumen in both English and Japanese doesn't ZEA enough and old English Hazama and Bang were leagues better than now. I guess this could be hard because of new moves and whatnot but eh. Also old colors and new palettes for characters introduced in CP so there are like a couple thousand colors to choose from. Just gotta wait for what else they will put out as DLC since this is supposed to be the one that comes with all the previous DLC.
Moy_X7 Posted April 15, 2015 Posted April 15, 2015 It's times like these when I'm glad that I didn't get any of the DLC. I learned my lesson from the CS era lol.
VermilionBird Posted April 15, 2015 Posted April 15, 2015 I still pray for the CT announcer to come back... We'll be reunited soon, I promise
Dreiko Posted April 15, 2015 Posted April 15, 2015 It's times like these when I'm glad that I didn't get any of the DLC. I learned my lesson from the CS era lol. It was obvious this would happen, I don't think anyone of the olden times is surprised, I will say though I did almost fold a few times since people at casuals had some voices which I enjoyed. But I remained strong. Makes you wonder why people even doubted there being another Extend though, lol.
Anne Posted April 16, 2015 Author Posted April 16, 2015 Hiago translated Dora and Goro's tier lists: http://shoryuken.com/2015/04/15/goro-and-dora-share-their-blazblue-chronophantasma-2-0-character-rankings/
BlackYakuzu94 Posted April 16, 2015 Posted April 16, 2015 It's times like these when I'm glad that I didn't get any of the DLC. I learned my lesson from the CS era lol. Yea, but dat old music tho.
Errol Posted April 16, 2015 Posted April 16, 2015 Goro. ■光の戦士さんインタビュー――現在のメインキャラと段位を教えてください（取材：2015年3月）光の戦士さん（以下、光の戦士） メインキャラクターはマコトで16段です。サブキャラクターは使わずにマコト一筋です！ Please tell us your main character and ranking. Goro: My Main is Makoto (16 dan). I don't use any sub character and am devoted to Makoto!――ホームゲーセンや主戦場はどちらですか？光の戦士 ゲーセンは金曜日に行けるので、金曜の“立川オスロー”には欠かさずに行くようにしています。ほかには、“八王子セントラル”で土曜日に大会があるときは 絶対に行くようにしていますし、月曜日には“HWB”（※）というガチ対戦のイベントもあるので時間があれば駆けつけてます。主戦場は西東京がメインにな りますね。 ※ゲームプラザセントラル八王子で定期的に行われている録画対戦会。ルールは5試合先取方式。参加費：1組あたり700円（ひとり350円） Where is your home arcade/battleground? Goro: I can go to the arcade on Fridays, and I go to tachikawa on Fridays without fail. Besides that, I also go to central hachiouji on Saturdays when ther are tournaments. On Mondays, I also attend HWB if I have the time. My battleground would be West Tokyo. ――ゲームセンターへ通う頻度はどれぐらいでしょうか？光の戦士 いまは週1ぐらいですね……。できるときにやっているというのが現状です。 How often do you go to the arcade? Goro: Currently, about once a week. I go when I can.――稼動からある程度時間の経過した本作ですが、対戦内容の感触はいかがでしょうか？光の戦士 本バージョンのマコトでは、相手キャラに触れられないということがなくなったのでそれだけで楽しいですね（笑）自分も攻撃のターンがもらえるという部分だ けでも本当に楽しめています。攻撃ターンをもらったうえで負けちゃったなら、それは「自分の殴り合いが弱かったんだな」と思えますし。得意なキャラとして は、テイガーとハクメンは勝率がかなりよくて自信があります。じっくりキャラの立ち位置を見れたり、自分のやりたいことをゆっくり考える時間があったりと か、スローペースな試合が得意です。テイガーやハクメンはその部分を早い展開にしようと思ってもできないキャラなので、落ち着いてプレイできます。 It has been some time since this version came out in the arcade. How does the game feel to you? Goro: With this version's Makoto, it's no longer the case that you can't be touched by your opponent, so that alone makes it fun (laughs). The fact that I too will get a turn on offense makes it really fun. If I get a turn on offense and still lose in spite of that, I can think 'I didn't play well'. Against Tager and Hakumen, who I am particularly good against, my win rate is very storng and I am confident. I can take my time to look at my opponents position, and have plenty of time to think about what I want to do. I favor these kinds of slow space matches. Even if Tager and Hakumen want to speed up the match, they can't, so I can play calmly.――逆に苦手なキャラクターはいますか？光の戦士 ツバキ戦の勝率がかなり悪いですね。まず、ツバキは動きが素早いのでスローペースな試合にはなりにくいです。あと、技の空振りを見てるんですが、ツバキは通常攻撃に追加攻撃があるので、よくその追加部分に突っ込んでカウンターをもらってしまいます（笑）。 On the other hand, are there any characters you are weak against? Goro: My win rate is particularly bad against Tsubaki. Tsubaki is quick, so it's hard to have a slow-paced match. Also, I often get counter hit by her followups that are available on whiff (laugh). ――トレーニングモードなど、個人練習はどのようなことをしていますか？光の戦士 プレイの期間を開けないという意味でひとり用をテキトーにやっているぐらいですね。新しいコンボを見つけるとか、セットプレイを考えるとかは自分には向いていないので、そういったトレーニングモードの活用は控えています。 What kind of things do you do to practice? ( training mode etc) Goro: Excluding when I am actually playing, little. Finding new combos or thinking about setplay is something I am not suited to, so that use of training mode is something I avoid. ――本作で注目しているプレイヤーはいますか？光の戦士 しーの君（ノエル）、まぶかぷさん（レリウス）、naoさん（ヴァルケン）は本作をがんばっているので応援しています。対戦を欠かさずやるという意味では、まぶかぷさんがとくにがんばっていると思うので、活躍して欲しいですね。 Are there any players you are noticing in this version? Goro: shiino (noel), mabukabu (relius), nao (valk) are working hard in this version so I am rooting for them. In terms of matches, I think mabukabu is particularly working hard so I would like for him to perform well.――ズバリ、『BBCP』がうまくなるコツは何でしょう？光の戦士 いちばん大切なのは、対戦で勝てなくても我慢してお金を入れることです（笑）。対戦相手は、自分と同じレベルの人、少し上のレベルの人、かなり上のレベル の人、の3種類を設定するといい目安になります。「今日はこのレベルの人にお金を入れる」といった課題を持って対戦すれば、メリハリが付いていいのかなと 思います。 What's the trick to becoming good at BBCP? Goro: The most important thing is that even if you cannot win, you tolerate it and put more money in the machine (laughs). Taking opponents of the same level, slightly above level, and significantly above level and saying 'Today I'll spend money on people of this level', as your way of practicing, should provide a nice variety and work well.――2015年4月には家庭用の発売が予定されていますが、オンライン対戦へは参戦しますか？光の戦士 すみません、オンライン対戦には参戦予定はありません。アーケードが一番ですし、今は家で格闘ゲームをやるっていうのが不思議でしょうがない感じなのでゲーセンでプレイしますね。 In april, the console version will be released. Will you play online? Goro: Sorry, I have no plans in playing online. The arcade is the best, and right now playing fighting games at home feels very strange so I will continue playing in the arcade.――今後、もし全国規模の大型大会があれば参戦しますか？光の戦士 形式によります。3on3がいちばんうれしいのですが、それ以外の形式だったら参戦は見合わせる可能性が高いですね。3on3なら組んでみたいメンバーが居るので、そのチームで参戦してみたいです。 Here on out, if there is a large scale national tournament, will you participate? Goro: It depends on the form. I would be the most happy about 3 on 3, and with any other format there's a high chance I'd think twice. with 3 on 3, there's particular people I'd like to play with, so I'd like to participate with that team.――読者に自由にひと言コメントお願いします！光の戦士 『BBCP』 はゲームなので、楽しくやれればいいなと思います。自分でその“楽しさ”をどこに設定するのかは難しいところなんですが、僕の場合はやっぱり勝ち負けがあ る以上は勝ちたいんですよね。最近は対戦内容に納得できなければ勝ってもうれしくないということが増えていて、そういう「どういうふうに勝つ」とか「勝つ べくして勝ったのか」というのを模索するのもよいと思います。とにかく、自分なりの楽しむ方法を見つけてプレイしてほしいですね！ A comment for the readers, please! Goro: BB is a game, and I think it's best to have fun while playing it. For me, that 'fun' is hard to identify, but, given that there is winning and lose, I want to win. Recently, I'm more often having matches that I win, but I'm not satisfied with the contents of the matches and am thus not happy. That kind of 'how do I want to win, or did I win how I should have?' experience is good too. At any rate, please find your way to have fun playing!■光の戦士さんの考えるキャラクターランクはこれだ！ S ジン ニュー A ヴァルケンハイン ハザマ ココノエ レリウス ライチ テイガー タオカカ B アズラエル ラグナ ツバキ マコト バング イザヨイ カルル ノエル カグラ C レイチェル プラチナ バレット セリカ ミュー ラムダ D アマネ テルミ ハクメン アラクネ AランクとDランクには差があるが、A～Cランクまではそこまで差はないとのこと。世間的に評判の高いラグナはBランクと評価されているが、これについては以下のように語っている。 「ラグナはどこまでいってもラグナです。“空中ダッシュめくりDインフェルノディバイダー”は強力な崩し手段ですが、それ以外のガード崩し行動は、大きい 大会で勝ち上がってくるような相手には通用しないものです。そう考えると、差し合いをしなければいけないので、いろいろなキャラがキツくなってくるんじゃ ないかと思います。」 While there is a difference between A rank and D rank, from A to C rank the difference is not that large. As for the generally considered to be high tier Rags, I have the following reasons. No matter how far you go with Ragna, Ragna is still Ragna. IAD DID is a strong mixup, but his other means of breaking defense do not work against the people who win in large tournaments. With that in mind, you need to get hits from neutral, which should make a number of characters become difficult, I believe.
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