[CS2] Noel Changelog Loketest 1-5

[GunslingerSonic]

In the corner shouldn't 3C 22BC 66C 4D 236D 6C 5D d.2D 623D 6C j.D d.6D d.6B d.5B d.5C 236D still work, unless I forgot some changes that would make it not work? Just wondering.

I was watching one of loketest vid with Noel.

If I'm not mistaken, Noel's Bloom Trigger (236D) can bounce your opponent when hit against the corner.

I think that could work. Who Knows?

Saw it from here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n803Nh2dFUI

Around 2:25

[MiraclePizza]

Lol whoops that's right, I forgot that bloom trigger slides now.

3C 22BBC 66C 4D d.2D 623D 66C j.D d.6D d.6B d.5B d.5C 236D ~4700 in the current game.

[Runis]

3 things.

1st, Lunakage - that 22C 66C 4D 6C 2D 623D corner combo works on the entire cast. You just have to delay the 4D after 6C.

2nd, Faster drives might be awesome for general play, but don't forget that it will render the FC 4D anti air into d6A whiff d.6C d5D 623D too fast to hit (maybe just exchanging d6A for whiff d5D might work but meh)

3rd, why has NO ONE tried 5A 5B 5C jc j.D? if that combo's we're golden.

[LunaKage]

3 things.

1st, Lunakage - that 22C 66C 4D 6C 2D 623D corner combo works on the entire cast. You just have to delay the 4D after 6C.

2nd, Faster drives might be awesome for general play, but don't forget that it will render the FC 4D anti air into d6A whiff d.6C d5D 623D too fast to hit (maybe just exchanging d6A for whiff d5D might work but meh)

3rd, why has NO ONE tried 5A 5B 5C jc j.D? if that combo's we're golden.

The first section(before the spring raid) can hit everyone yes, but after the 4D > 236D > 66C > 5D, the d.6B wont connect on Carl or Noel, I can get the combo to work on Lambda fine, but the really small characters, and for some reason Makoto, can tech out of it.

[Runis]

I've got it to work on every single one. Carl is the first person I try any combo on first. You aren't delaying the 4D enough so that it hits low.

[2 GB Combo]

The first section(before the spring raid) can hit everyone yes, but after the 4D > 236D > 66C > 5D, the d.6B wont connect on Carl or Noel, I can get the combo to work on Lambda fine, but the really small characters, and for some reason Makoto, can tech out of it.

You might be doing 22BC right after the throw, the opponent will be able to tech in the middle of 5D and d.6B if you add the 22B. But it does work if you go directly into 22C.

Against Carl, you just have to hit the last 6c pretty low to the ground and maybe delay the 5D by like a frame or 2, but it can work.

[HeartNana]

Sure the other characters losing crazy shit helps Noel, but Noel needed crazy shit just to get 4.2k, her non-haida BnB is gone, her haida is shot to hell, and looking at the one video I saw from loketest3, she can't even do her simple 4.8 corner combo(the version without fenrir). So how in the hell are we supposed to get damage? She's looking like she's gonna be Tsubaki without charge moves.

I said it last time, I'm gonna say it again. Wait until we know all the details before bitching, please.

[7r17r1]

236D slide STANDING character, the juggle properties are still the same, this won't affect our combo... maybe it will just create new corner ones

something like 5D 6A 6C 2D 5D 236D 6D ect... I don't know if it will be worth it tough

3rd, why has NO ONE tried 5A 5B 5C jc j.D? if that combo's we're golden.

huuu, I really think this doesn't work, and I don't see why it should

btw, for the other corner combo we are talking about, I have trouble landing it on lambda

because of her hitbox the d.5B's 2nd hit whiff on her x)

[HexaNoid]

I looked at the Loketest 4 thread and there was nothing there on Noel even though http://generalnantoka.blog35.fc2.com/ posted some changes.

Anyone with an understanding of Japanese willing to do some translations on these? (Just search for 'ノエル' under the 'BBCSⅡ第4回ロケテ伝聞まとめ!' post)

[Raptor]

I used an online translator for that.

・CR5Cがjc出来なくなった

-Became impossible jc is CR5C (lol)

d.5C is definitly not jump cancellable anymore. Sucks because that was what made CR fun to do.

[TransientFaith]

As far as my really limited Japanese comprehension skills go, taken from http://generalnantoka.blog35.fc2.com/

●今回追加された調整 <- new changes

●以前までの変更点 <- previous changes

・5B＞2Bのガトリング追加（再度5Bは無理

...

http://www.excite.co.jp/world/english/ can vouch for me there too

[bmore303]

I said it last time, I'm gonna say it again. Wait until we know all the details before bitching, please.

I'm with you, I'm sure she'll be just fine, change up some bnbs, get back in the lab, and make her just as useful as before. It's interesting to read prospective changes, but none of us know what the final decisions will be, nor does anyone have enough time to really try anything new. Suck it up and keep playing her or jump ship for whoever else.

[HexaNoid]

・CR5Cがjc出来なくなった

-Became impossible jc is CR5C (lol)

Google Translate ftw.

And thanks for the info, Faith.

I'm looking forward to seeing the final verdict for Noel. Hopefully everything will pan out well for her.

[madaxe_munkee]

My best attempt at translation. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but it feels like this is what's going on from my perspective.

I went to http://generalnantoka.blog35.fc2.com/ to get these, but could only be bothered translating the red ones.

通常投げの補正増加かマズル補正増加

Noel's command throw (muzzle flitter) has been buffed.

・Cハイダーの浮きが高くなったため高火力コンに行くときに工夫が必要に

To make the C haida float higher, it now twists opponents.

・CR5Cがjc出来なくなった

No jc after CH 5C

・5Cが前進しなくなった

No improvements on 5C

・5Dの発生AMショー時よりさらに鈍化。一瞬溜めてから前に出て、距離が長い

Startup for 5D is longer than it was at the AM show. If you dash just before, it now hits farther.

・スプリングレイドで横への吹っ飛ばしが強くなり、画面端じゃないと追撃不可に

The hit for spring raid is now stronger. Can't follow up except in corner.

・ハイダー同技乗算付加？長いハイダーコンは削除に

Haidas now have more tech time proration. Can't do long haida combos.

[MiraclePizza]

236D slide STANDING character, the juggle properties are still the same

Well in that case,

corner 3C 22BC 66C 4D 236D 6C 5D d.2D 623D 66C B+C 6C j.D d.6D d.6B d.5B d.5C 236D = 4921, tested on Carl

[Runis]

Not a perfect translation, but here's my Level 2 attempt.

●ノエル

3Cはいつも通りダウンしてくれます

Noel's 3C knocks down the same as always.

●今回追加された調整

Changes this test(Loke4) - none

●以前までの変更点

Changes in past lokes

・5B＞2Bのガトリング追加（再度5Bは無理

5B>2B gattling possible (Previously impossible from 5B)

・2C＞5Cのガトリング追加（再度2Cは無理

2C>5C gattling (Previously impossible from 2C)

・J4Dの発生糞早く。低空で出すと見えないめくり技になる。

j4D is faster. When used low to the ground, it creates a near invisible crossup.

・J4Dが下段に

j4D is a low.

・Cハイダーの浮きが高くなって遠目からのコンボが行きやすくなった

C Haida bounces higher, combo's are easier to perform.

・バレルの発生かなり早く

Optic barrel(?) startup is faster

・しゃがみ喰らいに6Aが当たる

6A hits crouchers

・5Bの判定かなり強化

5B hits stop(?) is improved

・JBの判定強化。下にも強く

jB's hitstop(?) improved. hits lower

・5Cガードされてもjc可能

5C can be jump canceled on guard

・5Cのやられ判定縮小

5C's recovery reduced?

・CR5Cが早くなった

drive 5C is faster

・地上喰らいブルームトリガーがスライドダウンに

Ground bloom trigger causes slide down

・通常投げの補正増加かマズル補正増加

B+C 214A combo has increased proration

・Cハイダーの浮きが高くなったため高火力コンに行くときに工夫が必要に

C Haida bounces more, harder to combo.

・CR5Cがjc出来なくなった

can't jump cancel d.5C

・5Cが前進しなくなった

5C no longer moves forward

・5Dの発生AMショー時よりさらに鈍化。一瞬溜めてから前に出て、距離が長い

5D startup is even slower than the time at the AM Show(? no idea what this means). She takes a step after charging up for a moment , the reach is long. (I'm guessing this means that her 5D is slower, and you can't kara-cancel it anymore because it doesn't take that step until after a bit)

・スプリングレイドで横への吹っ飛ばしが強くなり、画面端じゃないと追撃不可に

Spring Raid launches them further away, can't combo outside of corner.

・ハイダー同技乗算付加？長いハイダーコンは削除に

(not sure what this means, something about the haida loop new techniques, multiplication and adding them). No more long haida loops.

[GenoWhirl]

So is C Haida bouncing high a buff or a nerf? You list it as both . I'm guessing a nerf, though.

[LunaKage]

All of the characters are supposedly getting a 5B or 5C that is air unblockable, does anyone know what Noel's is?

I said it last time, I'm gonna say it again. Wait until we know all the details before bitching, please.

Hey man, ouch. I do agree, but that stings.

[Runis]

It lists 22C bounce as a buff since you can combo easier from further away, but also as a nerf because combo's require more skill now.

[RadRed]

The translation is much appreciated, Runis. I've been wantin' as much information on Noel during these location tests as I could get.

Lovin' all the additional gatlings that add to her pressure game along with 6A hitting crouchers. The buffs on 5B and j.B sound nice too.

I'm still a little put off by the 5D nerfs, but I suppose I'll just have to deal with it along with everything else. Seems like Ms. Vermillion got off pretty well during these location tests. Looking forward to playing the final product.

[dragontamer]

The 2C -> 5C gatling sounded stupid when it first came out.

However, now that 5C is air-unblockable (everyone's 5C is air-unblockable, right??), if someone is doing IB -> jump out, the 5C has potential to catch them. I say potential because after IB, 2C has 11 blockstun, and 5C hits on frame 11 or 12... So that will require experimentation.

Edited October 27, 2010 by dragontamer

[2 GB Combo]

The 2C -> 5C gatling sounded stupid when it first came out.

However, now that 5C is air-unblockable (everyone's 5C is air-unblockable, right??), if someone is doing IB -> jump out, the 5C has potential to catch them. I say potential because after IB, 2C has 11 blockstun, and 5C hits on frame 11 or 12... So that will require experimentation.

Every character has a 5B OR 5C that is air-unblockable, and I haven't heard anything on which one is Noel's.

I'm kinda torn on which one I want to be air-unblockable, as you said, 5C has a better ability to catch jumpers out of blockstrings, but I prefer 5B as a poke, and if it is getting buffed, adding an air-unblockable property would help make it be a more solid poke, which Noel lacks at the moment.

[NoirMorpheus]

Well in that case,

corner 3C 22BC 66C 4D 236D 6C 5D d.2D 623D 66C B+C 6C j.D d.6D d.6B d.5B d.5C 236D = 4921, tested on Carl

What the hell?? So it's 3C, SilencerBC, Dash 6C, 4D, Bloom Trigger, 6C, 5D, Drive 2D, Spring Raid, Dash 6C, False Grab, 6C, Jumping D, Drive 6D, Drive 6B, Drive 5BB, Drive 5C,

Bloom Trigger...that seems so wonky

[MiraclePizza]

It's an easy and reliable universal combo off 3C that doesn't involve long haida loops. I brought it up because iirc someone was talking about losing the good corner combo and whatnot when, unless they changed some of the moves involved with doing that combo, it should still be doable in CS2.

Losing the long haida loops hurts a lot more for midscreen than it does in the corner obviously, but it's already generally agreed that that's the route Arcsys is going with this game anyways.

[HeartNana]

All of the characters are supposedly getting a 5B or 5C that is air unblockable, does anyone know what Noel's is?

Hey man, ouch. I do agree, but that stings.

Not picking on you, thats just the general concensus for anyone making assumptions too quickly now. I also highly highly doubt that Noel will be worse off than she was in CS. On system changes ALONE (as in, lots of char lose good midscreen damage off of easy pokes), it should be, in theory, easier to win...